What is considered to be a prediabetic fasting blood glucose?

littlebobecki

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Hi, my doctor says anything under 7 is normal. The mayo clinic states that anything over 100 up to 125 is prediabetic. Who is right?

My fasting blood glucose goes between 5.8 and 6.4 (which is over 100!).

My fasting blood glucose was 7.2 this morning.

Please can you give me the correct information so I can protect my health.

Many thanks :)
 

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The scientists disagree on that Bernstein and a coupple of others believe it is 4.5 and a bit under that like between 4.0 -4.5 mmol
Used myself to be 4.5 every time my blood glucose was measured
 

littlebobecki

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The scientists disagree on that Bernstein and a coupple of others believe it is 4.5 and a bit under that like between 4.0 -4.5 mmol
Used myself to be 4.5 every time my blood glucose was measured

I don't know what to do.....I feel from what I have read that it is undesirably high......but my doctor is not concerned........should I be concerned?......I am just wondering why the doc is not giving me a talk about diet and life style.....?
 
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Hi, my doctor says anything under 7 is normal. The mayo clinic states that anything over 100 up to 125 is prediabetic. Who is right?

My fasting blood glucose goes between 5.8 and 6.4 (which is over 100!).

My fasting blood glucose was 7.2 this morning.

Please can you give me the correct information so I can protect my health.

Many thanks :)
I was told I was prediabetic when my annual routine blood tests showed my BG was in the 6's it was like this for years until it finally went over the 7. I had a follow up blood test two weeks later and it was 7.1 and I was told then it was T2
 
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Pinkorchid

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Hi, my doctor says anything under 7 is normal. The mayo clinic states that anything over 100 up to 125 is prediabetic. Who is right?

My fasting blood glucose goes between 5.8 and 6.4 (which is over 100!).

My fasting blood glucose was 7.2 this morning.

Please can you give me the correct information so I can protect my health.

Many thanks :)
Was the 7.2 a finger prick or a proper blood test
 

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Hi, my doctor says anything under 7 is normal. The mayo clinic states that anything over 100 up to 125 is prediabetic. Who is right?

My fasting blood glucose goes between 5.8 and 6.4 (which is over 100!).

My fasting blood glucose was 7.2 this morning.

Please can you give me the correct information so I can protect my health.

Many thanks :)

Between 6.1 and 6.9.
Below 6.1 is normal.

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care/blood-sugar-level-ranges.html

You are creeping into the prediabetic range, maybe look at a few lifestyle changes?
 

littlebobecki

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Gosh!.....that's awful.....I am confused as to why I am not being told I am prediabetic.....my fasting bg was 7.2 this morning.......should I find a different doctor..?.........Why would he not inform me of an impending problem...it really scares me.......do some docs not believe in prediabetic?
 

littlebobecki

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Finger prick.....I have been lent a blood glucose monitor as it was suspected I am hypoglycemia....I need to eat every couple hours at work or I get rubbery legs ...dizzy...
Blurred vision....headaches.......since January have had the monitor I have been on holiday and have not had an episode.....but I started tk take my fasting blood glucose each morning out of interest.....thus has been the results for the last two weeks
 

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Alison Campbell

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Hi @littlebobecki are you in the UK or US? I ask this as some of the levels are different between the two countries.

I was diagnosed in the UK at 6.3 which was followed up with a glucose tolerence test.

There is a lot of help and support on the forum for prediabetes and reactive hypoglycemia that you might find helpful. Taggy @daisy1 for new member information for you.
 

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I would ask your doctor for the HbA1c diagnostic test and then ask for print outs of any glucose/diabetes tests you have had so you can compare. A simple fasting test is unreliable as many factors come on board.
 

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NICE are currently consulting on interventions for people at high risk of developing type 2 (8 million adults in UK) due to be published in August 2017.

As well as looking at HBA1C above 42, NICE are now looking at including fasting plasma glucose above 5.5 as a risk factor which was not in the 2012 guidance.

https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/indevelopment/gid-ng10024/consultation/html-content


Is this the comment you're referring to?

What are the demographic characteristics and rates of progression to type 2 diabetes among people with a high risk score but normal blood glucose levels (fasting plasma glucose of less than 5.5 mmol/l or HbA1c of less than 42 mmol/mol)? How does this compare with people who have both a high risk score and blood glucose levels that indicate impaired glucose regulation (fasting plasma glucose 5.5–6.9 mmol/l or HbA1c 42–47 mmol/mol (6.0–6.4%)?
 

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The fasting plasma glucose starting at 5.5 mmol/l is all over the consultation documents @douglas99 as a indication of impaired glucose regulation.

This is the first sign I have seen of anything so low as being considered impaired by officials in the UK. Yes it is only a consultation but 5.5-6 mmol/l is being considered as low risk rather than normal and the move back to fasting at all seems to be change of direction?

Some forum members have reported the flaws of HBA1C also.

I have seen people on the forum told to ignore a lab fasting of 5.8 and that they are not even prediabetic.

I have seen two posts in the last 6 months by members who were told by UK GP's that due to changes in the US, they are now considered prediabetic at 5.8 FPG.

Hopefully NICE will clear things up by August 2017!

I want to raise awareness on the forum so we can be more supportive to the wider diabetic community of people at risk who may out number those currently diagnosed.

@Administrator, will you be responding to the consultation?
 

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Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

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VioletViolet

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Finger prick.....I have been lent a blood glucose monitor as it was suspected I am hypoglycemia....I need to eat every couple hours at work or I get rubbery legs ...dizzy...
Blurred vision....headaches.......since January have had the monitor I have been on holiday and have not had an episode.....but I started tk take my fasting blood glucose each morning out of interest.....thus has been the results for the last two weeks
Hello Im a newbie to all this myself and also in the prediabetic range. I just identified with the rubbery legs, dizziness and headaches that make you snack at work. That was me before I started with low carb, the thing i thought was giving me energy was actually sapping it and creating my physical pains and strange jelly legs. Since low carb i eat twice a day and just drink tea and water the rest of the time. It wasn't easy and i relapsed many times but eventually you find a suitable groove.

Good luck
 
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Well, I range from 5.2 to 5.6 fasting so is that good or bad? After eating in the 5s and sometimes around 6.2 Seems like the goal post keeps moving