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I just stumbled upon this - very interesting stuff:
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/fat-not-protein.html
http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/fat-not-protein.html
Why lo-carb has to be hi-fat
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I see the author of the article was John Yudkin. He was an interesting guy, he founded the nutrition department at Queen Elizabeth College in London and wrote a very successful book on the subject called 'This Slimming Business'. He was a staunch advocate of very low carb diets back in the 50's.
He also took Ancel Keys on in the argument about whether dietary fat caused heart disease. He was right and Keys was wrong, but the consensus (and the funding) was with Keys. Yudkin was ostracised, as of course was Robert Atkins who followed similar principles a few decades later.
All the best,
fergus
He also took Ancel Keys on in the argument about whether dietary fat caused heart disease. He was right and Keys was wrong, but the consensus (and the funding) was with Keys. Yudkin was ostracised, as of course was Robert Atkins who followed similar principles a few decades later.
All the best,
fergus
Patch said:
I shudder to think!!I just can't eat a lot of fat so I am one of these low carb low fat oddities ,not through choice but necessity! I used to love pork crackling and bacon fat sandwiches!!Alas those days are but a distant ,mouth-watering memory.
Ive got a bit of a mental stumble on here, I have accepted the Lo Carb mantra and it has done what it says on the tin for me. A loyal subject i remain. From what ive just read it would appear that the amount of Protien should be lower too due to its conversion rate to glucose of approx 58%. Although i now eat more veg than i used to i have always liked meat / protien and it is a large part of any meal.
( sound of cogs turning very slowly ) it therefore dawns on me that my protien intake may actually be the reason i keep hitting a wieghtloss wall. I E if i cut down to 1 slice of ham and some nice creamy coleslaw things might actually take of again.
its what im going to try for a while and see what gives
HO HUM
Dave P
( sound of cogs turning very slowly ) it therefore dawns on me that my protien intake may actually be the reason i keep hitting a wieghtloss wall. I E if i cut down to 1 slice of ham and some nice creamy coleslaw things might actually take of again.
its what im going to try for a while and see what gives
HO HUM
Dave P
Well from my take on lo carb its not about getting that much in your diet, more you eat till you are full which lo carb isnt anywhere near what i used to scoff. So my thinking is that by reducing the amount of protien you automatically increase the ratio of Fats for the content of the meal. Which is why the creamy coleslaw as i love the stuff even tho not a natural veggie.
Dave P
Dave P
Hi patch
The answer to your question is: to quote Wallace ( and Grommet) "Cheese!"
Also bacon. and cook with Butter and lard.
How about belly pork for dinner?
ultra slow baked in the oven, you get tasty meat,and delicious crackling and it doesn't cost much, because so many deluded pople think the fat is bad for you.
The answer to your question is: to quote Wallace ( and Grommet) "Cheese!"
Also bacon. and cook with Butter and lard.
How about belly pork for dinner?
ultra slow baked in the oven, you get tasty meat,and delicious crackling and it doesn't cost much, because so many deluded pople think the fat is bad for you.
Patch !!! there does seem to be something in what you were saying !!! yesterday i cut my protien by approx half and wieghed this am and just under 2lbs gone. They werent big meals but i was eating until i felt full and satisfied.
My dilema now if this is the case is that i only want to lose another 3lbs or so. But if true its cross ill have to bear i suppose
Live the life
Dave P
My dilema now if this is the case is that i only want to lose another 3lbs or so. But if true its cross ill have to bear i suppose
Live the life
Dave P
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It's not the protein that makes you feel full (satiated), it's the fat. For dinner some nights I just have 2 slices of ham rolled around a nice lump of cream cheese with some coleslaw.
I still can't get my head around how little I am actaully eating, and the fact that I am not the slightest bit hungry! If I ate the equivalent amount of calories (or volume) of high carb food (bread/pasta/potatoes, etc...) I would still be ravenously hungry.
I still can't get my head around how little I am actaully eating, and the fact that I am not the slightest bit hungry! If I ate the equivalent amount of calories (or volume) of high carb food (bread/pasta/potatoes, etc...) I would still be ravenously hungry.
that is pretty much the same for me, i am now eating at least half as much as before and almost never hungry.
Am now planning to stay on this tack unless anything adverse happens. Had a 6month blood test on tues so get the results in a couple of weeks --- actually cant wait
And the irony is my daughter is looking to be a group leader for weight watchers but i havnt the heart to tell her what ive found.
Its raining here but who cares
Dave P
Am now planning to stay on this tack unless anything adverse happens. Had a 6month blood test on tues so get the results in a couple of weeks --- actually cant wait
And the irony is my daughter is looking to be a group leader for weight watchers but i havnt the heart to tell her what ive found.
Its raining here but who cares
Dave P
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As far as I know there are no lo-carb diet clubs. But there is HUGE potential there. Imagine telling a yo-yo dieter that he/she can eat THIS daily:
Breakfast:
Fried Egg, Sausage, Bacon, Mushrooms
Lunch:
Chicken Salad (as much Oil based dressing as you like) no croutons
Dinner:
Steak with creamy peppercorn sauce, Mushrooms, Green Beans,
And then telling them that they will not want to eat anywhere near that much. It's a hard thing for a lot of yo-yo dieters to grasp (personal experience here), but lo-carbing makes you STOP wanting to eat!!!
Breakfast:
Fried Egg, Sausage, Bacon, Mushrooms
Lunch:
Chicken Salad (as much Oil based dressing as you like) no croutons
Dinner:
Steak with creamy peppercorn sauce, Mushrooms, Green Beans,
And then telling them that they will not want to eat anywhere near that much. It's a hard thing for a lot of yo-yo dieters to grasp (personal experience here), but lo-carbing makes you STOP wanting to eat!!!
Patch said:
Looking at that though isn't the ratio of protein to fat is still very high?
I'm not trying to be critical just trying to understand how to get my fat protein ratio similar to that in the article. That menu is similar to what I would eat in a day but like others struggle to think of how I culd introduce more fat and reduce protein. I've looked at the (vast amounts) of cheese in my fridge and the fat content is only a few more grams than the protein content. Hmmm
I have 3 tablespoons of coconut oil a day, cook in butter and have a tablespoon of flax seed, would that be enough fat?
Doc this is something of a revelation to me as well. I accept the lo Carb way. I simply reduced the protien intake for the size of meal the i currently eat, which is now about half the size it was before. It does seem to have kick started the stall and the result is still the same - no hunger - ample energy etc.
Good luck
Dave P
Good luck
Dave P
Literally 2lbs to go to the line.................... bring on the Bacon.
Didnt want to live for ever anyway
Dave P
Didnt want to live for ever anyway
Dave P
Patch said:
HDL usually increases, which is a Good Thing. LDL *may* increase, but even if it does it is not likely to be the dangerous subtype. Trigs should drop like a stone which will reduce VLDL and once you get the balance right this will probably drop your LDL and increase HDL further: exercise also helps.
Somewhere between Protein Power
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/
and here
http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/
you will probably find your own sweet spot
