New type 2

NannaJanis

Member
Messages
6
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Diet only
Newly diagnosed five weeks ago after several years of glucose intolerance. I was really shocked at the diagnosis as I thought I was living a reasonably healthy lifestyle to control it. I am following a low GI/GL diet and lost 3kg in the first three weeks but am stuck now at the same weight for two weeks. I'm not overweight now but want to get to the middle of the normal weight band. I'm considering a LCHF diet. There is lots of useful information on this forum. Everyone seems friendly and helpful. I'm really glad I found you. I'm glad I found out it's normal to feel depressed about this. I came away from my first meeting with the diabetic nurse feeling very upset as she seemed to assume that, no matter what I did diet and exercise-wise, I would end up on medication. However, she has referred me to a course where there should be a dietician available. I have lots of social events coming up soon - a christening, a hen weekend, a wedding, a convention - and I'm worried about how to cope with eating and whether I should drink alcohol. It's much easier to sort your diet when you're at home. I don't want to look weird and peculiar and anti-social over food and drink. Any tips?
 

Bluetit1802

Legend
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25,216
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Diet only
Hello and welcome.
Great to see you are being proactive and determined to control this disease. That's a good start.

As for alcohol, red wine seems to be the best choice. Drinking beers is like drinking sugar, and sweet drinks and sweet wines are out. Some spirits are OK provided you have sugar free mixers. The eating bit should be OK as you can often pick and choose, avoid the cakes of course. Others will come along with more suggestions. Enjoy the celebrations!
 

Yorksman

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,445
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Diet only
I came away from my first meeting with the diabetic nurse feeling very upset as she seemed to assume that, no matter what I did diet and exercise-wise, I would end up on medication.

Your DN says you will end up on medication because she once went on a course that said so. The scientific research says otherwise. Have a read at this:

http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/documents/Diabetes-Reversaloftype2studyJune14.pdf


As far as weight loss is concerned:

"The role of physical activity must be considered. Increased levels of daily activity bring about decreases in liver fat stores and a single bout of exercise substantially decreases both de novo lipogenesis and plasma VLDL. Several studies demonstrated that calorie control combined with exercise is much more successful than calorie restriction alone. However, exercise programs alone produce no weight loss for overweight middle-aged people. The necessary initial major loss of body weight demands a substantial reduction in energy intake. After weight loss, steady weight is most effectively achieved by a combination of dietary restriction and physical activity. Both aerobic and resistance exercise are effective. The critical factor is sustainability."


My weight loss has stalled but my blood sugar control keeps me comfortably in the normal range. When I go for bike rides, I am invariably in the high 4s. If I don't go for bike rides, I may hit a 6.2. Exercise works but, find an activity that you enjoy. With all this nice weather, I like to be out in the countryside so I go for a ride in the country, I don't go and do my daily exercise routine. Exercise also seems to improve your sensitivity to insulin making what you do produce work more effectively.

Just keep at it and don't be put off your DN who was told an orthodoxy which is years out of date.
 

Daibell

Master
Messages
12,653
Type of diabetes
LADA
Treatment type
Insulin
Hi and welcome. Yes, medication is not inevitable if your diabetes was mainly caused by excess weight and hence insulin resistance. I agree your nurse is merely repeating what she was taught and also because the NHS usually recommends having plenty of carbs then the need for medication is guaranteed. Yes, it's madness but that's the NHS. Do go to a low-carb diet. Although a low-GI/GL diet is good it doesn't define the total amount of carbs to have each day. This varies, but aiming for 150gm/day max is a good start. Do have low-GI carbs when you can. Hopefully you will continue to lose a bit of weight and your blood sugar will move to or near normal
 

daisy1

Legend
Messages
26,457
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Dislikes
Cruelty towards animals.
Hi NannaJanis and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Carry on asking questions and you will get more helpful answers in addition to the ones you have already had.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 100,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

NannaJanis

Member
Messages
6
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Diet only
Hello and welcome.
Great to see you are being proactive and determined to control this disease. That's a good start.

As for alcohol, red wine seems to be the best choice. Drinking beers is like drinking sugar, and sweet drinks and sweet wines are out. Some spirits are OK provided you have sugar free mixers. The eating bit should be OK as you can often pick and choose, avoid the cakes of course. Others will come along with more suggestions. Enjoy the celebrations!
Thanks for your help.
 

NannaJanis

Member
Messages
6
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Diet only
Hi NannaJanis and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Carry on asking questions and you will get more helpful answers in addition to the ones you have already had.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 100,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Many thanks.
 

NannaJanis

Member
Messages
6
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Diet only
Hi and welcome. Yes, medication is not inevitable if your diabetes was mainly caused by excess weight and hence insulin resistance. I agree your nurse is merely repeating what she was taught and also because the NHS usually recommends having plenty of carbs then the need for medication is guaranteed. Yes, it's madness but that's the NHS. Do go to a low-carb diet. Although a low-GI/GL diet is good it doesn't define the total amount of carbs to have each day. This varies, but aiming for 150gm/day max is a good start. Do have low-GI carbs when you can. Hopefully you will continue to lose a bit of weight and your blood sugar will move to or near normal
Many thanks.