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hi

I have just been diagnosed with type 2 my fasting glucose was 6.7 and I had the glucose test at hospital.

I have been reading a lot on the forum and am looking at eating by meter, I see this a lot on here.

With 3 meals a day it means a lot of test strips. Is there a meter that does not use strips?

Is it usual for the doctor to proscribe diet for 3 months before treatment?

As you can see I am pretty confused. Be glad of any help.

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Welcome to our little band of merry Ds

I do not know of any meter that does not use strips I am afraid. The codefree one from homehealth (or amazon) seems about the cheapest

You fasting level isn't too high, do you know your HbA1c. Depending on that value the doctors will give you a chance to control with diet and exercise at first. That probably means your levels aren't too bad. When you talk to the surgery again ask them for your HbA1c result.

If you are "eating to your meter" I would also suggest going for a walk about 1 hour after eating. This will help a lot. Watch out which carbs you decide to each. make sure they are good quality ones ie no white bread, pasta. Try seedy breads if you are sticking to bread or for me bergen linseed and soya works brilliantly. You also need to do exercise portion control as well. If you need to lose weight then now is the ideal time as it will bring your BG levels down.

@daisy1 will be along shortly to provide so comprehensive starting information.
 
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Hi Carpy and welcome to the forum.

A fasting glucose of 6.7 isn't at all bad. Is that the only test you have had? I would have expected a follow up to this. It isn't normal to diagnose Type 2 on one such test, especially at only 6.7. Normally a second test is done to confirm the first, plus an HbA1c test, which shows a rough average of the previous 2 to 3 month's worth of BS levels. If you are unsure what you have had, I recommend strongly that you phone your doctor's surgery and ask. While you are at it, ask for a print out as you will find this very useful for future comparisons.

Yes, it is now normal for doctors to give you 3 months to try and lower your levels by diet, providing your levels aren't too high, which yours aren't. Many of us on here are not on any medication. In my own case, it has never even been mentioned.

Eating to your meter is a very good way to tackle this, and yes, you will need a lot of strips. All meters require strips, so your best bet is to find one with the cheapest strips. The meters themselves are fairly cheap, some are even free. One of the cheapest strips, maybe the actual cheapest, are the SD Codefree . http://www.homehealth-uk.com/medical/blood_glucose_monitor_testing.htm but of course, others are available.!
 

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to me 6.7 isn,t too bad but i do think you need another blood test
 

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Hi Carpy and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members referred to by @Andrew Colvin and I hope you will find it useful. Ask lots of questions and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 100,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

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Welcome to the forum Carpy.
 

carpy

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Hi Carpy and welcome to the forum.

A fasting glucose of 6.7 isn't at all bad. Is that the only test you have had? I would have expected a follow up to this. It isn't normal to diagnose Type 2 on one such test, especially at only 6.7. Normally a second test is done to confirm the first, plus an HbA1c test, which shows a rough average of the previous 2 to 3 month's worth of BS levels. If you are unsure what you have had, I recommend strongly that you phone your doctor's surgery and ask. While you are at it, ask for a print out as you will find this very useful for future comparisons.

Yes, it is now normal for doctors to give you 3 months to try and lower your levels by diet, providing your levels aren't too high, which yours aren't. Many of us on here are not on any medication. In my own case, it has never even been mentioned.

Eating to your meter is a very good way to tackle this, and yes, you will need a lot of strips. All meters require strips, so your best bet is to find one with the cheapest strips. The meters themselves are fairly cheap, some are even free. One of the cheapest strips, maybe the actual cheapest, are the SD Codefree . http://www.homehealth-uk.com/medical/blood_glucose_monitor_testing.htm but of course, others are available.!
hi

Thanks for the info I will find out when I see the nurse on Thursday however as a matter of interest I had a meal today and before it I tested and it was 5.5 then I ate the following cooked.
Carrots, cauliflower, Broccoli with a chicken leg oh and mustard exactly 2 hours later I tested again and it was 6.7.
I have seen a thing on the net where I choose a smaller plate and quarter it, 1/4 carbs like rice or potatoes, 1/4 protein and half veg.

I don't know if this will work but I have tried it for the last few days.

And I would like to thank everyone who answered its nice to know I am not alone.:)
 

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oh and I had a fasting test at the doctors and it was 6.5 so I was called back a few days later for another fasting test which was 6.7.

I then had an appointment at the hospital where they took blood to test then gave me a glucose drink then made me sit for 2 hours and took blood again. Then I was called to doctors and his advice was you have diabetes go see the nurse and diet for 3 months.He didn't say a lot really.
 

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oh and I had a fasting test at the doctors and it was 6.5 so I was called back a few days later for another fasting test which was 6.7.

I then had an appointment at the hospital where they took blood to test then gave me a glucose drink then made me sit for 2 hours and took blood again. Then I was called to doctors and his advice was you have diabetes go see the nurse and diet for 3 months.He didn't say a lot really.
that's normal, "see what you can do and then we'll add meds if needed"

what happened was that you were over 11 at 2hrs, your fasting isn't too bad.
as you saw by your meal that you tested, you can eat sensibly and have good BG, reduce your grain and it's products and add some more leafy veg, olive oil and nuts, should do it for you
 

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hi

me again first let me thank you all for your help. I have been keeping my before and after meals as records.
I take it before and then 2 hours after.like yesterday it was starting from breakfast.
before 6.5 after 11.4
before 4.3 after 7.6
before 5.1 after 8.8

What am I looking for is it the smallest gap between before and after.
For breakfast I had shredded Wheat and toast so why was it so high.
And before lunch it was 4.3 I really am confused I have an appointment with the nurse tonight but it is only 15 minutes so I wont get to ask her much.

thanks
 

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Shreddied wheat + toast = wheat+wheat=carbohydrate+carbohydrate=glucose+glucose=large rise in blood sugar levels nuff said on that one.
The 4.3 is caused by your pancreas eventually getting into overdrive and slightly overcompensating.
The 8.8 is also a little too high.

The first thing I would do would be to change your breakfast.
 
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Any sort of cereals and also bread will raise your levels. Both together was a disaster for you and would have done the same to me. Cereals, bread, potatoes, rice and pasta are starchy carbs and need to be eaten in very small portions or not at all if you want to keep overall control. You have learnt a lesson from your meter, and hopefully you can change things. Perhaps you could try a Greek yogurt with a few berries added, or eggs in any form, or bacon and eggs.

Ideally you should be aiming for a rise of no more than 2mmol/ after 2 hours. Your "befores" are very good.
 

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Hi there and a big welcome to the forum :)

Best wishes RRB
 

carpy

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hi

I was diagnosed about 6 weeks ago and I have been taking a sample before and 2 hours after a meal. For the last 2 weeks my fasting has been 4.1 to 5.6. I was over weight so am losing it by cutting down portions and a mixture of cutting carbs and GI low carbs.

I have only just had that blood test the one that tells the last 3 months and my nurse seems to know as much about diabetes as I know about gynaecology. She tells me I am doing it all wrong and should take no notice of the internet, just test once a week.

I have a home test kit for ketone's and find I have them in my water which she says is bad. However from what I have read everybody losing weight have ketone's as it is a by product of the body burning fat.

Its confusing does anyone think I am managing or what, I see the nurse for about 6 minutes when I see her.

Thanks again for any advice.
 

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The nurse is sort of right about the Internet. If I use it I stick to sites like NHS or use Diabetes UK In my experience your results look fine. I test 3 times a week now but when I started every day so I could see what affected me Tomato based curry sauce has no effect to my delight