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Jellyb

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My MIL began Type 2 with diet then medication and now insulin. She insists she is Type 1 now. Is this true? I didn't think it changed.

Also, she insists that Type 2 should eat carbohydrates on a regular basis and tells me that even before insulin she was told to eat a sandwich during the night!

I'm bamboozled.
 

Bluetit1802

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My MIL began Type 2 with diet then medication and now insulin. She insists she is Type 1 now. Is this true? I didn't think it changed.

Also, she insists that Type 2 should eat carbohydrates on a regular basis and tells me that even before insulin she was told to eat a sandwich during the night!

I'm bamboozled.

I imagine your MIL progressed from diet only, through medication, now insulin, because she ate carbs. Unless she had the specific Type 1 diagnostic tests, and her doctor changed her diagnosis, she is still type 2. Is this the case? Lots of Type 2's are on insulin.

If you want to stay off meds and insulin, please ignore her and don't let her bamboozle you. She is wrong. Undisputed fact - carbs convert to sugar once inside the system, sugar is what we need to avoid, so why eat a load of carbs?
 
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Jellyb

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She insists she started off as Type 2 and then moved onto Type 1.
I find it extremely difficult to talk to her about anything, especially diabetes. She told me that she is constantly having hypos and keeps wanting to tell me how to deal with them. When I said that I was struggling with managing the highs rather than the lows and how I felt hungry but had to balance the effects of eating or waiting, she said I should eat a piece of toast!
Also when I told her my average was 9 she said 'oh, that's not that bad!!!'
 
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Paul59

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Seems she is listening to the NHS advise to me, which is fine if you want to progress from diet the next meds & finally insulin, which is how it goes if you catty on your intake of carbs at a high rate, it's most likely the carbon intake the gave her t2 in the first place. I would suggest she joins the forum to see how we cope with it daily.
Obviously she is stubborn & think she knows all about it & if she won't listens then there is little you can do to help her, when she has to be treated for the complications that can occur if she continues on the road she is traveling, she may realise she was wrong or that the NHS need educating by sufferers & not chuck theory at us.
Cause this is only my opinion & we all do as we want but with using others knowledge.
 
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Bluetit1802

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Whichever type she is isn't really the issue. You are Type 2, diet only, so your diet is the key. Concentrate on yourself first.

Have you seen this thread? http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/a-new-low-carb-guide-for-beginners.68695/

Have a read. It will help you. Reduce your carbs, or avoid them, especially bread, potatoes, cereals, rice and pasta. In order not to feel hungry, increase your fats. Eat butter, cheese, mayonnaise, cream, olive oil, bacon, eggs, tomatoes, mushrooms, meat and fish, not forgetting vegetables and salads, salmon and tuna. There is no need to be hungry. Fats fill you up, as does protein. Cheese and nuts are excellent as snacks. Be careful with fruit and milk.

Are you using your meter to help you learn which meals you can or can't cope with? It is the only way to learn.

What sort of things are you eating at the moment?
 

Paul59

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Just thinking, it may be an idea to buy her a book called GI GL counter by Winnie Chan, very useful little book, can get on eBay. It great to know how foods affect your glucose. She may see things differently on reading the intro.
 

Andy12345

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Please ignore your MIL, she has fallen into the trap, many others also do, its common, unfortunately the advice given to people is finance driven, cut the carbs and follow the advice given by many of the switched on folks here and the pharma companies earn zero profit from you, they fund the research that the government listens to, who in turn gives diabetics, who in turn get more ill, take more drugs that those same companies profit from

Just my opinion

She has destroyed her own chances of a long pain free life, don't let her do the same to you even if she believes she's helping you, which I'm sure she does

Carbs are sugar, diabetics have trouble with sugar, reduce the sugar (carbs) reduce the trouble, simple :)
 

eddie1968

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Well I suffered the fate of meds to insulin and now wonder if my dietician sealed the deal with all that advice about carbs are good and fats are bad malarkey...the penny however has dropped and keep carbs to a minimum.
 
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daisy1

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Hello Jellyb and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members which should be useful to your MIL giving information on diet. Some of the information will already be familiar to her of course on other topics since she is not newly diagnosed.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 130,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

Scandichic

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My MIL began Type 2 with diet then medication and now insulin. She insists she is Type 1 now. Is this true? I didn't think it changed.

Also, she insists that Type 2 should eat carbohydrates on a regular basis and tells me that even before insulin she was told to eat a sandwich during the night!

I'm bamboozled.
Hi Jellyb and welcome!
I eat lchf. I was told about this when I first joined this forum. Have a read of www.dietdoctor.com
All the science about carbs is there. I am never hungry and eat yummy food.
I would invest in a bs monitor and use it for a few weeks before eating an hour after eating and then 2 hours after eating. And keep a food diary for a month or 2. This will identify which foods work, which ones spike you and will hopefully get you going down the right route.
I have an SD codefree as its one of the cheapest going for the strips.
http://www.homehealth-uk.com/medical/blood_glucose_monitor_testing.htm
I use a pot of 50 strips a month but in the beginning I used more. £6 per pot but if you buy 5 pots you get a discount. Strips are around £25 if you get them from the chemists otherwise. The discount code is
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