New Type 2 today

DavidParry2

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Hi
So today I was told I had type 2 Diabetes and need to cut out the carbs, which is also the advice I have seen on this forum.

Can anyone suggest a good diet - in other words what do you eat if not including carbs?
I was also told not to eat too much fruit.
I also have very high Cholesterol

Many thanks
 

SueB743

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Hi and welcome to the forum. I will tag @daisy1 for the excellent new members information. Have a good look at the food section which has a lot of information and good recipes for low carbs.

Generally above ground veg is good, avoid or limit below ground veg. You need to increase good fats to counter the reduction in carbs so you won't feel hungry, some foods like avocado, nuts and olives naturally contain these. In terms of fruit berries seem to be our best option.

It takes time to get your head around so don't worry if you are currently thinking you can't eat anything, you can and will be able to adjust to the new lifestyle.

Ask any questions you like, sorrow can always help
 
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WeeFergus

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A very warm welcome to you @DavidParry2 . I'll tag @daisy1 who'll give you some very useful information to read. Look around and read other posts aimed at Type 2s and ask any questions you may have. In terms of diet have a browse in the "What Have you eaten today", Low Carb and the Recipes threads. Just do a search and you'll soon find them.
 
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Daibell

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You've been given good diet advice by the NHS (unusual!). You may find that a low-carb diet helps reduce your cholesterol level and in particular improves the LDL/HDL ratio. Don't worry too much about the total and having fat shouldn't increase it.
 

Phlogiston

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Welcome. Hope you find the forum useful.
Fruit is a sad case - they're full of useful micronutrients, but high in sugar. I have small amounts, it's sorrowful trying to find the smallest apples I can in the supermarket.
You need to change the way you look at food, and focus on the things you can eat, rather than the things you choose not to eat.
Best wishes
Adam
 
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DavidParry2

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Hi Sue

Many thanks for kindly responding.

You are right about thinking you can't eat anything and going into panic mode.

I will look at the food suggestion here and make up a shopping list if the things I can eat:)

Best regards

David





Hi and welcome to the forum. I will tag @daisy1 for the excellent new members information. Have a good look at the food section which has a lot of information and good recipes for low carbs.

Generally above ground veg is good, avoid or limit below ground veg. You need to increase good fats to counter the reduction in carbs so you won't feel hungry, some foods like avocado, nuts and olives naturally contain these. In terms of fruit berries seem to be our best option.

It takes time to get your head around so don't worry if you are currently thinking you can't eat anything, you can and will be able to adjust to the new lifestyle.

Ask any questions you like, sorrow can always help
 

DavidParry2

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Hi Adam

You are right about the fruit and i have always eaten a lot of fruit, thinking it was good for me!!

Many thanks

David


Welcome. Hope you find the forum useful.
Fruit is a sad case - they're full of useful micronutrients, but high in sugar. I have small amounts, it's sorrowful trying to find the smallest apples I can in the supermarket.
You need to change the way you look at food, and focus on the things you can eat, rather than the things you choose not to eat.
Best wishes
Adam
 

DavidParry2

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What was a bit frustrating about the NHS (although they were really very supportive) was that they tell you what you can't eat and not what you can.

Many thanks for the encouragement

David


You've been given good diet advice by the NHS (unusual!). You may find that a low-carb diet helps reduce your cholesterol level and in particular improves the LDL/HDL ratio. Don't worry too much about the total and having fat shouldn't increase it.
 

DavidParry2

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Many thanks for the response and advice - I will follow the links and no doubt eventually get to understand what I can and can't eat

Best regards

David


A very warm welcome to you @DavidParry2 . I'll tag @daisy1 who'll give you some very useful information to read. Look around and read other posts aimed at Type 2s and ask any questions you may have. In terms of diet have a browse in the "What Have you eaten today", Low Carb and the Recipes threads. Just do a search and you'll soon find them.
 

daisy1

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@DavidParry2

Hello David and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful, in particular the diet advice. Ask more questions and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

lessci

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Hi David,

The humble Cauliflower should become your new best friend, you can mash it to replace potatos, grate or whizz it up in the food processor then dry fry it to replace rice, use it to make a pizza base (the recipe is on here somewhere) Courgette ribbons can be used instead of pasta with a sauce. Extra beansprouts (& no sauce) with your stir fry veg. Rhubarb is really good as low carb "fruit" as are most berries. The best advise though is to get a meter. If your DN/GP won't provide one for you buy one. (I've got an SD code free as the strips aren't that expensive) and test. Take a reading before you eat and then 2 hours after, if the rise is less than 2mmol then your system can cope with that food. At first you do a lot of testing, but you learn what your body can handle and the testing drops off.
 
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DavidParry2

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Many thanks Daisy
Very helpful information
BR
David


QUOTE="daisy1, post: 889282, member: 25759"]@DavidParry2

Hello David and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful, in particular the diet advice. Ask more questions and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.[/QUOTE]
 

DavidParry2

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Hi Lessci

That is really helpful many thanks indeed and certainly something I will follow up with.

Much appreciated

David




QUOTE="lessci, post: 889342, member: 74756"]Hi David,

The humble Cauliflower should become your new best friend, you can mash it to replace potatos, grate or whizz it up in the food processor then dry fry it to replace rice, use it to make a pizza base (the recipe is on here somewhere) Courgette ribbons can be used instead of pasta with a sauce. Extra beansprouts (& no sauce) with your stir fry veg. Rhubarb is really good as low carb "fruit" as are most berries. The best advise though is to get a meter. If your DN/GP won't provide one for you buy one. (I've got an SD code free as the strips aren't that expensive) and test. Take a reading before you eat and then 2 hours after, if the rise is less than 2mmol then your system can cope with that food. At first you do a lot of testing, but you learn what your body can handle and the testing drops off.[/QUOTE]
 

sanguine

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Hi
So today I was told I had type 2 Diabetes and need to cut out the carbs, which is also the advice I have seen on this forum.

I David, welcome - you've done well to have been advised at diagnosis to cut carbs, an enlightened GP!

Apart from all the advice above, have a read of the links in my sig below and ask any more questions :)