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shoomeister

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Hi all,

So no symptoms I'm aware of but a medical picked up some blood & urine anomalies several months ago, followed up with GP and the results (although I couldn't tell you what specifically the test (I'm guessing HbA1c) and the specific results were yet) indicate I've got diabetes...I'm guessing Type 2 as been overweight for years, little exercise and never really watched my diet but nothing to indicate diabetes before.

Got my first clinic appointment later this month so I'm sure I'll know more then and I will ask them these questions, but I'm wondering if anyone can help me out with in the interim?
  • Is there any way to determine how long I was undiagnosed for and how far I've 'progressed', or have I missed something here?
  • I'm aware it was a small study and the whole question around how representative it is, but it sounds at least from initial review like the Newcastle study has some merit. Is there any harm (or no real point) in giving a 600 calorie diet a go, would it improve the outlook (related to the above) or just mean I maybe lost a lot of weight fast?
 

ButtterflyLady

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Hi all,

So no symptoms I'm aware of but a medical picked up some blood & urine anomalies several months ago, followed up with GP and the results (although I couldn't tell you what specifically the test (I'm guessing HbA1c) and the specific results were yet) indicate I've got diabetes...I'm guessing Type 2 as been overweight for years, little exercise and never really watched my diet but nothing to indicate diabetes before.

Got my first clinic appointment later this month so I'm sure I'll know more then and I will ask them these questions, but I'm wondering if anyone can help me out with in the interim?
  • Is there any way to determine how long I was undiagnosed for and how far I've 'progressed', or have I missed something here?
  • I'm aware it was a small study and the whole question around how representative it is, but it sounds at least from initial review like the Newcastle study has some merit. Is there any harm (or no real point) in giving a 600 calorie diet a go, would it improve the outlook (related to the above) or just mean I maybe lost a lot of weight fast?
Hi and welcome to the forum. @daisy1 will be along soon with your welcome pack.

Ask for a printout of all your blood test results for your own info and future reference. Once you know what your HbA1c results were, and whatever results you have from the earlier time, we may be able to give you some idea of how long it's been going on, but it's hard to say, and it's not as important as what you do from now on. T2 typically takes years to develop, and you may have had high blood glucose (BG) levels for many months.

As for "progression", you have the chance now to stop it getting any worse and indeed to send it into remission, if you change what you are eating. Many of us found when we reduced our carb intake, our BGs returned to the non diabetic range.

The very low calorie approach does produce weight loss, but personally I am not going to try it because I don't want to be hungry, and my low carb higher fat diet allows me to feel full, to lose weight, and to normalise my BGs. But there are several people who use the very low calorie approach and they swear by it.

Let us know how your nurse appointment goes, as he or she might not give you all the info you need.
 
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daisy1

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@shoomeister

Hello and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. It gives a lot of advice regarding carbs. Ask more questions and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

Daibell

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Hi. Diabetes creeps up on many of us without warning and it's often difficult to know when it 'started'. Many on the forum have followed the ND with good success with weight loss. Bear in mind that it's aim is to achieve rapid weight loss for anyone - diabetic or not and it doesn't focus specifically on carbs but calories. When you have achieved a good weight you need to focus on those carbs, keeping them down and having enough proteins and fats to keep you feeling full. Personally I would just go for the low-carb diet which takes account of a diabetics need to keep blood sugar down. Whatever you do, doing something about it is great.
 
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shoomeister

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Thanks for the comments and information everyone, I'm pretty sure I'll be on here quite a lot in the future :)