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<blockquote data-quote="Honeyend" data-source="post: 2208544" data-attributes="member: 430576"><p>Vegans want simple solutions and its not that simple. Many of us are alive due to animal testing or byproducts of animals used in treatments.</p><p> To live very simply and remain in good health you need a bit of grazing and for most of the world, a dairy animal and perhaps a few chickens. Its been a succesful method of survival for thousands of years, the modern vegan animal activist could not survive if they did not live in a first world country with access to large amounts of imported food and synthetic vitamins. Its the end of winter, and you would be lucky if apart from potatoes, carrots, swede,winter green and leeks, there would be little else to eat, oh and stored fruit. How do you stop people keeping chickens and eating eggs, how do you stop someone keeping a pig and slaughtering for home use? A new black market?</p><p> The only bright spot on the whole Brexit thing for me is if there is a food import hiccup in the system will show how dependant we are on food imports. Every time I eat an almond I think about the water its cost to produce it, lots</p><p><a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/amount-of-water-needed-to-grow-one-almond-orange-tomato-2015-4?r=US&IR=T" target="_blank">https://www.businessinsider.com/amount-of-water-needed-to-grow-one-almond-orange-tomato-2015-4?r=US&IR=T</a></p><p>Even the USA is getting worried.</p><p></p><p> I know how much my cows drink, but as a resource that I pay for I would rather spend it on them than a daily bath like my neighbour. To make my heavy clay land viable for any crop would probabely take four years manure laid on thick, and then a lot of crops would be lost with winter water, other farmers have tried and failed.</p><p></p><p>I like to think we are coming to the creast of a hill, the hill is made up of all the progress and choice that we have since the 1960's, which we have made a mound of paperwork( 40 years of working in the NHS makes me dispair that action has been replaced by paper, or the blasted putor) and rubbish, from having what we want when we want, thinking we can have it all with no cost. When we reach the top we top and every one will see there could be a cliff the otherside and we have to turn back, if its possible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Honeyend, post: 2208544, member: 430576"] Vegans want simple solutions and its not that simple. Many of us are alive due to animal testing or byproducts of animals used in treatments. To live very simply and remain in good health you need a bit of grazing and for most of the world, a dairy animal and perhaps a few chickens. Its been a succesful method of survival for thousands of years, the modern vegan animal activist could not survive if they did not live in a first world country with access to large amounts of imported food and synthetic vitamins. Its the end of winter, and you would be lucky if apart from potatoes, carrots, swede,winter green and leeks, there would be little else to eat, oh and stored fruit. How do you stop people keeping chickens and eating eggs, how do you stop someone keeping a pig and slaughtering for home use? A new black market? The only bright spot on the whole Brexit thing for me is if there is a food import hiccup in the system will show how dependant we are on food imports. Every time I eat an almond I think about the water its cost to produce it, lots [URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/amount-of-water-needed-to-grow-one-almond-orange-tomato-2015-4?r=US&IR=T[/URL] Even the USA is getting worried. I know how much my cows drink, but as a resource that I pay for I would rather spend it on them than a daily bath like my neighbour. To make my heavy clay land viable for any crop would probabely take four years manure laid on thick, and then a lot of crops would be lost with winter water, other farmers have tried and failed. I like to think we are coming to the creast of a hill, the hill is made up of all the progress and choice that we have since the 1960's, which we have made a mound of paperwork( 40 years of working in the NHS makes me dispair that action has been replaced by paper, or the blasted putor) and rubbish, from having what we want when we want, thinking we can have it all with no cost. When we reach the top we top and every one will see there could be a cliff the otherside and we have to turn back, if its possible. [/QUOTE]
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