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<blockquote data-quote="busydiabeticmum" data-source="post: 1520967" data-attributes="member: 160151"><p>I didn't see a misrepresentation though!</p><p></p><p>Using his kitchen reference it could be used another way... being English it is hard to imagine certain things so changing it to our "language would make better sense...</p><p>I have a radiator in my kitchen which is designed to heat the room, however if I use this not only does it heat the kitchen but all the other rooms of the house that are empty and not in use. This is very inefficient, a waste of energy and expensive to run... some people may be able to afford to run the central heating constantly and without thought for the environment by using the central heating... then you have me who can't afford to do this and makes me very sick (yes having the heating on makes me feel ill!)</p><p>I have an electric oven in my kitchen which I am going to use anyway (which if used with heating makes it intolerably hot and in need of opening doors and windows) it still costs money to run, but not as much as using central heating. I can also use it to cook my food in.</p><p>Thus it makes more sense to use the oven, being more economic and better value money wise...</p><p>Central heating is carbs</p><p>Oven is low carb food</p><p>Money is insulin</p><p>Opening doors and windows would be the medicine</p><p></p><p>Now the better option would actually be to wear a cardigan... however until we work out what that is I will carry on using the metaphorical oven... both have side effects and cost to run, but we must look at what is less damaging both economically and financially.</p><p></p><p>Thus the kitchen analogy can be used to incorporate diabetes and comes out as lower carbs being better. We need the low carb foods and are already eating them (using the oven) we also know it produces energy (heats the kitchen)... </p><p></p><p>Again I need to ask the question if the scientists are happy to accept this result even though it used mice and yet reject another test result showing a medicine to be harmful and in wide use BECAUSE it used mice citing that the results from mice do not convert to humans... how can we accept either test as being definitive?</p><p>I use again the asimille of the lion, if we put a lion on a vegan diet and then used the conclusion that it was bad for humans as absolute... should we accept this?</p><p>The same can and should be said about the mice... the diet given to them is not the normal diet for a mouse! However the food in the low carb diet are normal foods for us which even high carbers consume... so how can the results be converted over to humans? This being a similar argument to the scientists rejecting paracetamol as being harmful in pregnancy!</p><p>I have seen several experts argue against the test of Ketones on mice and it seems the only people arguing against them are using that test as "evidence".</p><p>Knowing that pregnant woman are usually in a state of ketosis knowingly or not, diabetic or not is not a cause for concern... the Ketones in the urine are not in the blood and there is NO evidence to show Ketones in urine as being harmful to mother or baby... it is when the Ketones are in the blood that causes danger however that does not come from diet, that comes from insufficient insulin supply.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="busydiabeticmum, post: 1520967, member: 160151"] I didn't see a misrepresentation though! Using his kitchen reference it could be used another way... being English it is hard to imagine certain things so changing it to our "language would make better sense... I have a radiator in my kitchen which is designed to heat the room, however if I use this not only does it heat the kitchen but all the other rooms of the house that are empty and not in use. This is very inefficient, a waste of energy and expensive to run... some people may be able to afford to run the central heating constantly and without thought for the environment by using the central heating... then you have me who can't afford to do this and makes me very sick (yes having the heating on makes me feel ill!) I have an electric oven in my kitchen which I am going to use anyway (which if used with heating makes it intolerably hot and in need of opening doors and windows) it still costs money to run, but not as much as using central heating. I can also use it to cook my food in. Thus it makes more sense to use the oven, being more economic and better value money wise... Central heating is carbs Oven is low carb food Money is insulin Opening doors and windows would be the medicine Now the better option would actually be to wear a cardigan... however until we work out what that is I will carry on using the metaphorical oven... both have side effects and cost to run, but we must look at what is less damaging both economically and financially. Thus the kitchen analogy can be used to incorporate diabetes and comes out as lower carbs being better. We need the low carb foods and are already eating them (using the oven) we also know it produces energy (heats the kitchen)... Again I need to ask the question if the scientists are happy to accept this result even though it used mice and yet reject another test result showing a medicine to be harmful and in wide use BECAUSE it used mice citing that the results from mice do not convert to humans... how can we accept either test as being definitive? I use again the asimille of the lion, if we put a lion on a vegan diet and then used the conclusion that it was bad for humans as absolute... should we accept this? The same can and should be said about the mice... the diet given to them is not the normal diet for a mouse! However the food in the low carb diet are normal foods for us which even high carbers consume... so how can the results be converted over to humans? This being a similar argument to the scientists rejecting paracetamol as being harmful in pregnancy! I have seen several experts argue against the test of Ketones on mice and it seems the only people arguing against them are using that test as "evidence". Knowing that pregnant woman are usually in a state of ketosis knowingly or not, diabetic or not is not a cause for concern... the Ketones in the urine are not in the blood and there is NO evidence to show Ketones in urine as being harmful to mother or baby... it is when the Ketones are in the blood that causes danger however that does not come from diet, that comes from insufficient insulin supply. [/QUOTE]
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