Carbohydrates help please

chefdee

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Very foolishly since being diagnosed a couple of years ago with type 2 I haven't taken it seriously at all, a few months ago the doc gave me metformin which upset my stomach, so on the advice of this forum I changed to the slow release metformin and carried on eating uncontrolled carbs,I don't have a sweet tooth so only have very occasional desserts etc. I changed to wholemeal bread , rice and pasta thinking that was all I needed to do, this resulted in ever increasing blood sugar numbers, I think with no real symptoms I thought I could carry on eating and drinking a semi healthy diet , but after a few weeks of dreadful thirst and running to the loo every 5 minutes I made an appointment yesterday with a diabetic nurse and discovered my blood sugar level was 21.4 , I nearly had a heart attack, but it's the kick up the backside I need, how very very stupid of me, I'm not unintelligent and have diabetes in my family , in fact in 1966 my sister died aged 12 from kidney failure due to undiagnosed diabetes, so from today big changes in my lifestyle, the nurse upped the slow release metformin from 750mg to 1,000mg and also added one 5mg of onglyza, I've avoided all obvious carbs today but I am curious as to how many carbs to limit myself to , should I have a number in mind or should I completely cut out bread , pasta , rice , potatoes etc . I'm sure some of you will read this and maybe think I'm incredibely stupid but I'm hoping for some advice from those that can help me
 
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Lamont D

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Hi @chefdee
No, you are not stupid!
You just haven't had the right advice.
This is in part the incorrect information of the NHS.

I've tagged @daisy1 to give you the newcomers welcome information.
Have a read of the information, it is really helpful.
Also read the low carb forum.
Read the success stories, come to your own conclusions, you have already reduced your sugars, but now you need to reduce your carbs!

Welcome to the forum.
Ask any questions, someone knowledgeable will answer.
 
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Celeriac

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Firstly, well done for grasping the nettle, finally. You are putting yourself in the driving seat rather than being the passenger.

Since your BG numbers are so high, if it were me, I would cut out all of the processed carbs, one group at a time.

There are people on the forum who get perfect non-diabetic numbers on little or no medication and eat toast etc. But even if they seem like the majority, you have to focus on YOU. We are all different and for some of us, have a harder struggle than others.

Upon diagnosis, no-one told me about low carb, I got the standard NHS eat plenty of carbs advice and I spent months tinkering around with low GI before I figured that low carb might work.

You have the advantage that you know it works. I would advise having an eye screening and asking the opthalmologist about retinopathy, first, because you wouldn't want to get it, by a sudden huge drop in BG numbers,
 
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4ratbags

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Better late than never. Have a good read of the link above and ask as.many questions as you deem necessary. Its a long journey trying to find the right balance but with a bit of perseverance you will get there.
 
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daisy1

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@chefdee

Hello Chefdee and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members, in addition to the good advice above, and I hope you will find it useful. Reduce the carbs you are eating gradually getting down to satisfactory BG levels. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

chefdee

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Thank you all so much that makes very interesting reading and things are much clearer, I am trying to find my way round the forum and I have learned so much in the past 24 hrs, I have been having my eyes tested and I'm happy that all seems good, the nurse I saw this week was very helpful although I found the high BS numbers scary so I will be asking lots of questions :) I hope I don't become a pest
 
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Klangley

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Thank you all so much that makes very interesting reading and things are much clearer, I am trying to find my way round the forum and I have learned so much in the past 24 hrs, I have been having my eyes tested and I'm happy that all seems good, the nurse I saw this week was very helpful although I found the high BS numbers scary so I will be asking lots of questions :) I hope I don't become a pest

I have been asking questions constantly for the last 7 weeks and no-one has been remotely rude......very unusual for Internet forums in my experience. I didn't set myself a carb limit, I just avoid any bread, rice, pasta, root vegetables etc. But I have been very disciplined.

I would also recommend you read Jason Fung online. His view (convincingly put) is that T2 Diabetes is a dietary disease, the cure is therefore dietary. It is also not necessarily a progressive disease. It is reversible. He points to a study of severely obese T2 patients who had stomach stapling surgery - in 90% of them the diabetes reversed. Of course if you don't want to go to those lengths, he recommends low carbs, high fat, Fibre and intermittent fasting (not as scary as it sounds).

No one thinks you are stupid mate. You are doing the right thing. Buy a Blood Glucose test meter. Keep a dairy. Work out which things spike your blood sugar and which don't. Also if you can, exercise. Good luck.....