Corrected Eat Well Plate?

[AndBreathe]

Is that better?

 

[ladybird64]

Absolutely love it AB. Now then..I wonder who you should send it to?

 

[MH2010]

Absolutely LOVE IT.

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

(My Eatwell plate)

 

[Brunneria]

Brilliant Andbreathe.
Send it to @Southport GP

 

[andcol]

You forgot the hole in the middle to designate portion control.

 

[AndBreathe]

Brilliant Andbreathe.
Send it to @Southport GP

It was on Twitter, so I did that ReTweeting thing, which means all my connections see it. Or could it just be my "Followers"? I don't have too many of them. I'm not too hot on Twitter.

On second thoughts,............................ @Southport GP - Have you seen this?

 

[RoseofSharon]

View attachment 18367 Is that better?

I love it!

 

[Patricia21]

It was on Twitter, so I did that ReTweeting thing, which means all my connections see it. Or could it just be my "Followers"? I don't have too many of them. I'm not too hot on Twitter.

On second thoughts,............................ @Southport GP - Have you seen this?

Could you put it on Facebook?

 

[AndBreathe]

Could you put it on Facebook?

I don't do Facebook Patricia, but you can save the image from here and post it up there yourself if you would like

 

[CollieBoy]

compare Dr Deakin's eatwell from "Eat Fat"

 

[Oldvatr]

Still low fat. Portion control is distorted by loss of high carb portion.
This reflects LCHF, which NHS and the Nutrition academia do NOT support at all, so it would not be 'suitable for the general populace' as per Eatwell.

Whilst LCHF is appearing to be beneficial for members of this forum, it is applicable to a minority in the population. It is not supported by the HCP's and is not supported by DCUK, who I believe are co-sponsors of the latest ukgov prevention initiative that pushes Eatwell#2.

I have problems in using this outside the forum since it gives the impression it is a spoof or meme and does not carry the more serious message on its own, It is as I say only relevant to those of us who have heard of LCHF.

 

[RoseofSharon]

LCHF may not be supported by the NHS et al. however that does not mean that it is unknown or not applicable in a wider context of health. Indeed I learned about it years ago in a very different context and have been researching into the general applicable principles of it for general health and well being for a long time. In my opinion if the general populace had more quality information about LCHF and it's far ranging benefits (and application) then they would be able to manage their health a LOT better. The problem is that too many take what they are spoon fed from 'official' sources rather than looking into all the information and evidence available to them. The information is out there for any who would simply take the time to read and evaluate what they are reading critically.

 

[Oldvatr]

LCHF may not be supported by the NHS et al. however that does not mean that it is unknown or not applicable in a wider context of health. Indeed I learned about it years ago in a very different context and have been researching into the general applicable principles of it for general health and well being for a long time. In my opinion if the general populace had more quality information about LCHF and it's far ranging benefits (and application) then they would be able to manage their health a LOT better. The problem is that too many take what they are spoon fed from 'official' sources rather than looking into all the information and evidence available to them. The information is out there for any who would simply take the time to read and evaluate what they are reading critically.

I agree totally with what you say. Unfortunately as a lurker on many diabetes forums here and in US and Canada, I have to say that the LCHF is only truly supported by DCUK. Those few brave souls on these other forums that mention LCHF soon get shouted down. This forum is unique in this support, and although as you say there is growing support for the diet outside, it is largely Australia and South Africa from what i can see, although I did find a recent seminar in Erin (EIRE). The UK and US are not very supportive of this approach, but I have found some reports showing up in the NIH archives in US. There is much work ahead to get the message out, but as I said above, the corrected diagram above is open to ridicule in itself since it requires a knowledge of the whole debate to understand its message.

PS the variant of Eatwell used in the LCHF training module on DCUK might be a better diagram to use externally.

 

[AndBreathe]

Still low fat. Portion control is distorted by loss of high carb portion.
This reflects LCHF, which NHS and the Nutrition academia do NOT support at all, so it would not be 'suitable for the general populace' as per Eatwell.

Whilst LCHF is appearing to be beneficial for members of this forum, it is applicable to a minority in the population. It is not supported by the HCP's and is not supported by DCUK, who I believe are co-sponsors of the latest ukgov prevention initiative that pushes Eatwell#2.

I have problems in using this outside the forum since it gives the impression it is a spoof or meme and does not carry the more serious message on its own, It is as I say only relevant to those of us who have heard of LCHF.

In my view, it will take a long time to change the thinking of the last how many years? 30, 40, since we've been on the lower fat journey?

Whilst a LCHF diet isn't for everyone, most of the general population would see improved health markers if they moderated their carb intake in particular. My OH, who was somewhat resistant to a reduced carb form of eating when I was diagnosed is now freely admitting he feels extremely well on it and is trimmer, almost no matter what he does, than he used to be. He never carried any excess weight, but used to fluctuate by a decent half stone, depending on the weather, whether he was playing much golf or not and whether he was in UK or overseas. These days, he's rock solid and eating like the proverbial horse.

Outside the forum I never, ever use the term LCHF because it is, in my view, a terrible name and thrown up psychological barriers just by saying it's name. I refer to the way we eat as reduced carb, with enough of everything else, including fat.

 

[SunnyExpat]

LCHF may not be supported by the NHS et al. however that does not mean that it is unknown or not applicable in a wider context of health. Indeed I learned about it years ago in a very different context and have been researching into the general applicable principles of it for general health and well being for a long time. In my opinion if the general populace had more quality information about LCHF and it's far ranging benefits (and application) then they would be able to manage their health a LOT better. The problem is that too many take what they are spoon fed from 'official' sources rather than looking into all the information and evidence available to them. The information is out there for any who would simply take the time to read and evaluate what they are reading critically.

If you do decide to review critically though, the 'modified ' eatwell plate does indeed look like a meme.
And the second eatwell plate?
Zero calories from carbs?
What are fruit and veg?
Include alcohol as a requirement every day? Not ideal for kids.
All the dairy, many are lactose intolerant now.

So, while they are indeed well received on here, it you do step back, and review them in an unbiased, critical, fashion, they seem to not be as appealing as they seem.
Or is that just me, putting my own project reviewing hat on, before a sales pitch to those still on the fence?

 

[RoseofSharon]

I agree it will take a long time to reeducate people if you ever can! The LCHF vs LFHC is an argument that has raged for longer than the last 30-40 years with a very sad history to boot.

Any reference to low carb will engender problematic thinking and psychological barriers, due in part (sadly) to Dr Atkins and his diet books.

@SunnyExpat unfortunately any visual representation is likely to look like a meme. Is visual representation the best way to go about this? I agree that including dairy and alcohol has its problems, but then nothing is perfect. Critical analysis is very useful. How would you present this in a way that is beneficial to the population at large? (No that is not me being facetious I would love to have a way to present it to the adverse non D person.

 

[AndBreathe]

I agree it will take a long time to reeducate people if you ever can! The LCHF vs LFHC is an argument that has raged for longer than the last 30-40 years with a very sad history to boot.

Any reference to low carb will engender problematic thinking and psychological barriers, due in part (sadly) to Dr Atkins and his diet books.

@SunnyExpat unfortunately any visual representation is likely to look like a meme. Is visual representation the best way to go about this? I agree that including dairy and alcohol has its problems, but then nothing is perfect. Critical analysis is very useful. How would you present this in a way that is beneficial to the population at large? (No that is not me being facetious I would love to have a way to present it to the adverse non D person.

I don't see the inclusion of the dairy as any more problematical than including, say meat. Not everyone likes to eat meat, and not everyone can eat fish or nuts, but surely on an info graphic we have to expect a certain amount of interpretation.

The alcohol I can see both sides of the "argument", for the foregoing reasons.

 

[SunnyExpat]

I don't see the inclusion of the dairy as any more problematical than including, say meat. Not everyone likes to eat meat, and not everyone can eat fish or nuts, but surely on an info graphic we have to expect a certain amount of interpretation.

The alcohol I can see both sides of the "argument", for the foregoing reasons.

You may not see the problem, but there are a lot more lactose intolerant than there are carb intolerant, so you're promoting an eatwell plate that may harm the majority of those that believe it will be better for them.
So it's a very poor concept to promote that particular plate, unless you specifically concentrate, in a blinkered way, that because it promotes low carb, it must, be default, be optimum for all.
(I'm also not entirely sure how many are 'meat intolerant', or if it has any medical name, or is it more of a personal preference?)
Just my personal view though, but based on being in different countries to just the UK, which I believe has a relatively low percentage of lactose intolerance, compared to other parts of the world.

 

[SunnyExpat]

I agree it will take a long time to reeducate people if you ever can! The LCHF vs LFHC is an argument that has raged for longer than the last 30-40 years with a very sad history to boot.

Any reference to low carb will engender problematic thinking and psychological barriers, due in part (sadly) to Dr Atkins and his diet books.

@SunnyExpat unfortunately any visual representation is likely to look like a meme. Is visual representation the best way to go about this? I agree that including dairy and alcohol has its problems, but then nothing is perfect. Critical analysis is very useful. How would you present this in a way that is beneficial to the population at large? (No that is not me being facetious I would love to have a way to present it to the adverse non D person.

Low carb isn't particularly a problem.
The problem is, as has been just done, is in dismissing another's condition, and suggesting low carb is the only solution for everyone.
I personally know many more gluten, and lactose, intolerant, than carb intolerant.
I know some that wouldn't include alcohol in their daily calorie allowance.
The eatwell plate of Trudy Deakin's is informative, albeit badly thought out for many in that respect.
The 'rubbishing' of the official eatwell plate is diminishing the actual message, as the presentation of something many people do, in a negative, in fact insulting, way, will not endear anyone to the average person.
I don't think low carb will ever break into the average diet, if it is promoted as being something to snigger about how superior those who follow it are, compared to those who don't.
'No need to count calories. Don't eat when you're not hungry. Duh..'
Not helpful to those trying to lose weight, and not eating, because their choice is somehow 'inferior', and they feel hungry.
Positive, rather than negative, improving, rather than demeaning, would be my personal way to persuade people to change.