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<blockquote data-quote="Paul_" data-source="post: 2637737" data-attributes="member: 578575"><p>When trends such as obesity and metabolic syndrome are upward and to the extremes they are, does it matter?</p><p></p><p>If there's a sign next to a river saying "don't swim in the river", but hundreds of people drown in that river per year, the advice is irrelevant, regardless of how good that advice is. We can all look on saying "well, no one would drown if they read the sign", but maybe some better measures are needed because the current advice isn't working.</p><p></p><p>My issue isn't with Eat Well as such. My issue is that it's a waste of public money as only a minority follow it, it's poorly communicated by the NHS and public health campaigns are dreadful, and most important is the NHS recommends it to diabetics as though it's helpful. It's a waste of money and time, and harmful to diabetics.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I can't agree with this point. Hospitals have had burger chains and fast food outlets in the same building. If patients want unhealthy options, there's an abundance of them in hospitals already. If hospitals offer actual healthy options, it provides choice, and anyone not wanting that can just leave the hospital food and do what many already do - get family/friends to bring them food in, or buy it from one of the fast food outlets in the hospital. By making the food awful, it railroads more people down the fast food routes.</p><p></p><p>Either the NHS believes in Eatwell, in which case every hospital meal option and eating establishment on NHS premises should conform to it, or they don't. They clearly don't, it's just a tick box exercise at best, which is why the majority don't care what it says and the initiative is a total failure.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Low carb is generally considered to be less than 150g of carbohydrate per day. The NHS doesn't recommend low carb to diabetics as standard practice, so the absolute raving lunatics are therefore recommending a diet, based on their Eatwell plate, with 150g or more of carbohydrates per day.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Paul_, post: 2637737, member: 578575"] When trends such as obesity and metabolic syndrome are upward and to the extremes they are, does it matter? If there's a sign next to a river saying "don't swim in the river", but hundreds of people drown in that river per year, the advice is irrelevant, regardless of how good that advice is. We can all look on saying "well, no one would drown if they read the sign", but maybe some better measures are needed because the current advice isn't working. My issue isn't with Eat Well as such. My issue is that it's a waste of public money as only a minority follow it, it's poorly communicated by the NHS and public health campaigns are dreadful, and most important is the NHS recommends it to diabetics as though it's helpful. It's a waste of money and time, and harmful to diabetics. I can't agree with this point. Hospitals have had burger chains and fast food outlets in the same building. If patients want unhealthy options, there's an abundance of them in hospitals already. If hospitals offer actual healthy options, it provides choice, and anyone not wanting that can just leave the hospital food and do what many already do - get family/friends to bring them food in, or buy it from one of the fast food outlets in the hospital. By making the food awful, it railroads more people down the fast food routes. Either the NHS believes in Eatwell, in which case every hospital meal option and eating establishment on NHS premises should conform to it, or they don't. They clearly don't, it's just a tick box exercise at best, which is why the majority don't care what it says and the initiative is a total failure. Low carb is generally considered to be less than 150g of carbohydrate per day. The NHS doesn't recommend low carb to diabetics as standard practice, so the absolute raving lunatics are therefore recommending a diet, based on their Eatwell plate, with 150g or more of carbohydrates per day. [/QUOTE]
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