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<blockquote data-quote="xyzzy" data-source="post: 272097" data-attributes="member: 40343"><p>No problem Phoenix</p><p></p><p>I do not disagree with much you have written in this sense at least. Yes I accept that all countries the UK included should be recommending dietary guidelines on a per individual basis. That makes a great deal of sense and that joint US / European self management doc was one I gave to my DSN the other day with the sections on making individual choices and targets being the ones I highlighted to her.</p><p></p><p>I agree the Swedes do recommend more than one diet but at least they do and at least the ones they recommend would seem to have some chance of working.</p><p></p><p>We could argue the US <u>DO</u> have a 130g RDA carbohydrate recommendation in their 2012 position doc but to me again its a pretty futile argument for us to have. I do take your point that the UK guidelines <u>DO</u> reference the ADA ones. A post you made on this thread showed that and I do not really dispute it. I do dispute that even though the UK doc does reference the material it by no means clearly endorses those references in fact I think the UK doc studiously avoids recommending anything of substance and is by no means as clear and concise as either the American or Swedish recommendations.</p><p></p><p>So as you can see Phoenix I am trying to be as accommodating as I can. If you accept the "eat to your meter" principle (and I agree that isn't as black and white as it sounds for any number of reasons) then as long as you accept I have a right to choose how I "eat to the meter" by emphasizing carbohydrate control just as you have every right to choose your way then really we should just accept that and move on and continue in my view to work for the common good of everyone. Everyone has the right to choose whatever way psychologically suits them the best or else we end up undermining each others ability to control our conditions.</p><p></p><p>Now accepting the above doesn't mean we can't have some fine and fun debates! So I'll go down a bit of a tangent and readdress section 3 of my original post "The failing NHS" as we haven't done that for a while and it always leads to some stimulating debate because it isn't just all dry numbers and carbs and GI and mmol/l. So lets have a bit of a debate about that.</p><p></p><p>I've accepted that those UK guidelines are similar to the US ones in terms of recommendations. My problem is has the NHS accepted those guidelines? It's all very well some clever people writing the guidelines but they are particularly pointless if they never get implemented. So here's an example of what I mean. Considering the bad press we diabetics are getting because we cost the tax payer far to much cash then surely it is this rubbish that needs to be changed. I see no correlation between what's in the image and what you or I are calling the UK or US guidelines. Do you?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="xyzzy, post: 272097, member: 40343"] No problem Phoenix I do not disagree with much you have written in this sense at least. Yes I accept that all countries the UK included should be recommending dietary guidelines on a per individual basis. That makes a great deal of sense and that joint US / European self management doc was one I gave to my DSN the other day with the sections on making individual choices and targets being the ones I highlighted to her. I agree the Swedes do recommend more than one diet but at least they do and at least the ones they recommend would seem to have some chance of working. We could argue the US [u]DO[/u] have a 130g RDA carbohydrate recommendation in their 2012 position doc but to me again its a pretty futile argument for us to have. I do take your point that the UK guidelines [u]DO[/u] reference the ADA ones. A post you made on this thread showed that and I do not really dispute it. I do dispute that even though the UK doc does reference the material it by no means clearly endorses those references in fact I think the UK doc studiously avoids recommending anything of substance and is by no means as clear and concise as either the American or Swedish recommendations. So as you can see Phoenix I am trying to be as accommodating as I can. If you accept the "eat to your meter" principle (and I agree that isn't as black and white as it sounds for any number of reasons) then as long as you accept I have a right to choose how I "eat to the meter" by emphasizing carbohydrate control just as you have every right to choose your way then really we should just accept that and move on and continue in my view to work for the common good of everyone. Everyone has the right to choose whatever way psychologically suits them the best or else we end up undermining each others ability to control our conditions. Now accepting the above doesn't mean we can't have some fine and fun debates! So I'll go down a bit of a tangent and readdress section 3 of my original post "The failing NHS" as we haven't done that for a while and it always leads to some stimulating debate because it isn't just all dry numbers and carbs and GI and mmol/l. So lets have a bit of a debate about that. I've accepted that those UK guidelines are similar to the US ones in terms of recommendations. My problem is has the NHS accepted those guidelines? It's all very well some clever people writing the guidelines but they are particularly pointless if they never get implemented. So here's an example of what I mean. Considering the bad press we diabetics are getting because we cost the tax payer far to much cash then surely it is this rubbish that needs to be changed. I see no correlation between what's in the image and what you or I are calling the UK or US guidelines. Do you? [/QUOTE]
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