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<blockquote data-quote="DavidGrahamJones" data-source="post: 1813701" data-attributes="member: 245335"><p>I'm hoping that was a joke.</p><p>That seems to imply that the U.K will not have to pay for any deal that is made with the E.U. I've always felt that the view that the U.K will have it's cake and eat it is actually going to cost us money, not save us money, in the same way Norway pays for it's E.U. privileges and like Norway we will not have any representation.</p><p>Although the numbers may make sense, they don't when you start looking at the cost of leaving the E.U. if we don't get a free trade deal. </p><p>Shall we discuss the W.T.O.? Liam Fox seems to think that we will carry on as we did within the E.U., that's not what the WTO think.</p><p>What about Farmers subsidies, they all seem to have been promised that the U.K. government will pay those subsidies.</p><p>The fishing industry? We sell 75% of our fish to the E.U. and E.u. fishermen are suggesting that if our fishing industry expect access to the E.U. market then their fishermen expect access to U.K. waters. Oops! Only now U.K. fishermen don't get their subsidy unless the U.K. government cough up. </p><p>Then there is regional funding, something Cornwall, the North East, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland did O.K. with, you can use Google to check the amounts paid by the E.U. and something those regions expect the U.K. government to continue paying. </p><p>It certainly doesn't mention the money that we "owe" the E.U. because of promises made back in 2013 and which the E.U. quite reasonably expect us to pay.</p><p>What about the "open skies agreement", just looking at the U.S. - U.K. routes, if an agreement isn't made before March 2019, there will be no flights because airlines like Virgin and British Airways are not British owned. The way Trump behaves means that he could overrule the agreement that we are told are close to being signed. And that's just flights to the U.S. Try buying a ticket to anywhere in Europe for after March 2019.</p><p>I automatically disbelieve everything politicians tell us, mainly from experience of the last 2 years. </p><p>Taken in isolation the figures being promised to the N.H.S. might tally with the savings in our club membership subscriptions. But go nowhere near the overall cost to the U.K. government. Sometimes I think Boris must be Theresa's special friend. I hope people can see through the deception, because that's what I think is going on.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DavidGrahamJones, post: 1813701, member: 245335"] I'm hoping that was a joke. That seems to imply that the U.K will not have to pay for any deal that is made with the E.U. I've always felt that the view that the U.K will have it's cake and eat it is actually going to cost us money, not save us money, in the same way Norway pays for it's E.U. privileges and like Norway we will not have any representation. Although the numbers may make sense, they don't when you start looking at the cost of leaving the E.U. if we don't get a free trade deal. Shall we discuss the W.T.O.? Liam Fox seems to think that we will carry on as we did within the E.U., that's not what the WTO think. What about Farmers subsidies, they all seem to have been promised that the U.K. government will pay those subsidies. The fishing industry? We sell 75% of our fish to the E.U. and E.u. fishermen are suggesting that if our fishing industry expect access to the E.U. market then their fishermen expect access to U.K. waters. Oops! Only now U.K. fishermen don't get their subsidy unless the U.K. government cough up. Then there is regional funding, something Cornwall, the North East, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland did O.K. with, you can use Google to check the amounts paid by the E.U. and something those regions expect the U.K. government to continue paying. It certainly doesn't mention the money that we "owe" the E.U. because of promises made back in 2013 and which the E.U. quite reasonably expect us to pay. What about the "open skies agreement", just looking at the U.S. - U.K. routes, if an agreement isn't made before March 2019, there will be no flights because airlines like Virgin and British Airways are not British owned. The way Trump behaves means that he could overrule the agreement that we are told are close to being signed. And that's just flights to the U.S. Try buying a ticket to anywhere in Europe for after March 2019. I automatically disbelieve everything politicians tell us, mainly from experience of the last 2 years. Taken in isolation the figures being promised to the N.H.S. might tally with the savings in our club membership subscriptions. But go nowhere near the overall cost to the U.K. government. Sometimes I think Boris must be Theresa's special friend. I hope people can see through the deception, because that's what I think is going on. [/QUOTE]
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