Bursitis-shoulder

fairiesue said:

Hiya I have been bothered by excruciating pain in my upper right arm ...like someones ripped it off and shoulder pain, I can hardly do anything with it, I am not sleeping at night, I had a scan and was told I had Bursitis.
Was told to keep my arm in a sling for 2 weeks while taking anti inflamitory meds and Tramadol 2x50mg 4 times a day.
After the 2 weeks were up I was given more Tramadol and told to rest as much as possible but continue to use my arm so it doesn't stiffen up!! doh it is very very painful and stiff already, yes I do try as much as possible to continue with what I am able to do as well as try heat in morning and night, I am now going to try cold to see if that helps as heat doesnt.
Has anyone else had this and please tell me what you did.

Thanks...xxx

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I don'r recognise this as being related to diabetes per se. Not a usual side effect that I know of. Could be medication linked though. Some meds can cause joint or muscle pain. The usual culprits seem to be statins, and it is a documented but disputed side effect of statins.

My bursitis was due to me driving with the window down, and was actually due to a neck spasm that manipulation by a chiropractor cleared on one simple visit. But steroid injections, heat and infra red therapy did nothing to shift it. Even Japanese back massage failed. Quick check, can you twist your neck both ways? If yes then its a shoulder problem and you csn ignore my input..

it can be ralated to diabetes ... : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20701586

I had bursitis for a while before the chiropractor eventually figured out what it was. He suggested I take ibuprofen and that cured it almost immediately. I guess that's not much help to you. It was the worst pain I've ever had in my life, so I feel for you.

Freema said:

it can be ralated to diabetes ... : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20701586

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This report seems to blame rheumatism on diabetes, which is not a link that I have seen made elsewhere, Certainly joint pains can come from peripheral neuropathy, but that is normally a chronic long term condition, whereas I get the impression that the OP has an acute problem and is not reporting general aches and pains.

This report makes the statement, but has no references to back them up, and seems to be a commentary article not a physical study by itself. Not sure what authority it has.

The full text does say it is due to diabetes, but if you read it, the article is actually a submission for funding for research, and the study has not actually taken place. They want to prove a link, but intent is not the proof itself.

You have to be careful of PUBMED articles, since it is often only a submission for research laying down the aims that they intend proving.

Oldvatr said:

This report seems to blame rheumatism on diabetes, which is not a link that I have seen made elsewhere, Certainly joint pains can come from peripheral neuropathy, but that is normally a chronic long term condition, whereas I get the impression that the OP has an acute problem and is not reporting general aches and pains.

This report makes the statement, but has no references to back them up, and seems to be a commentary article not a physical study by itself. Not sure what authority it has.

The full text does say it is due to diabetes, but if you read it, the article is actually a submission for funding for research, and the study has not actually taken place. They want to prove a link, but intent is not the proof itself.

You have to be careful of PUBMED articles, since it is often only a submission for research laying down the aims that they intend proving.

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okay I thought is was all reliable science... the condition is somtimes an very long term condition though, my mother has is right now, and I did read a lot of it and what can cure it, as the pain is so terrible, I once had it myself too many years ago..
sometimes some condition is not especially proven due to like diabetes, but if statistically there is a lot more cases among diabetics compared to the average people of the same age, then there cuold be a connection just not yet being explained..

usually this painfull condition lasts from 3 month till 8 month, painlillers don´t do much , NSAID medicin can help a Little but not cure it and morphine like my mother is on right now helps the pain so it is almost gone, but does not cure it either... prednisone injections into the effected area do usually help the pain also but do not seem to shorten the lenght of the disease.
the most effective way to treat it is by a kind of surgical operation where something inside the shoulder is cut loose from where it should not be ... but usually the doctors wait a while because it very ofhen goes away by it self...
in my own case it only lasted 14 days which was days in hell...

http://www.diabetesnet.com/about-diabetes/diabetes-complications/frozen-shoulder

saying :

"Adhesive capsulitis (AC) has a prevalence of 2% in the general population, but is reported to occur in 10 to 29% of those with diabetes. Studies have shown it is caused by glycosylation of the collagen within the shoulder joint triggered by the presence of high blood sugars. Dupuytren's Contracture of the palms and fingers of the hand is another example of contracture syndrome related to diabetes. It is sometimes referred to as stiff-man syndrome although it occurs in both sexes."

Freema said:

okay I thought is was all reliable science... the condition is somtimes an very long term condition though, my mother has is right now, and I did read a lot of it and what can cure it, as the pain is so terrible, I once had it myself too many years ago..
sometimes some condition is not especially proven due to like diabetes, but if statistically there is a lot more cases among diabetics compared to the average people of the same age, then there cuold be a connection just not yet being explained..

usually this painfull condition lasts from 3 month till 8 month, painlillers don´t do much , NSAID medicin can help a Little but not cure it and morphine like my mother is on right now helps the pain so it is almost goe, but does not cure it either...
the most effective way to treat it is by a kind of surgical operation where something inside the shoulder is cut loose from where it should not be ... but usually the doctors wait a while because it very othen goes away by it self...
in my own case it only lasted 14 days which was days in hell...

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Actually if you search bursitis and diabetes, there are places where a link between them seems to exist, and that is with Septic inflammation. usually from a surface cut, The sites affected are where the bursa are close to the surface i.e the elbow or knee joints, but not the shoulder. It is usually acompanied by fever and reddened skin around the joint. and it is a specific bug such as Staph or Strep that is causing it.
The reason why diabetes is connected is through us having a weakened immune system due to it being busy attacking our Beta cells (so they say?).

I sympathise with anyone having this problem, since it is very painful and you cannot find a position where the pain lessens, And NDAIDS do not really help much (and are forbidden by my heart meds anyway)

Freema said:

http://www.diabetesnet.com/about-diabetes/diabetes-complications/frozen-shoulder

saying :

"Adhesive capsulitis (AC) has a prevalence of 2% in the general population, but is reported to occur in 10 to 29% of those with diabetes. Studies have shown it is caused by glycosylation of the collagen within the shoulder joint triggered by the presence of high blood sugars. Dupuytren's Contracture of the palms and fingers of the hand is another example of contracture syndrome related to diabetes. It is sometimes referred to as stiff-man syndrome although it occurs in both sexes."

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Again this article uses the usual getout clause "Studies have shown" without any further reference, Not sure if the reference at the end is related

Again it seems to be a long term condition that requires sustained high bgl levels to cause glycolisation. This sounds plausible, but I have no info on this being observed by anyone.
I did find this which is ongoing research
http://www.ch.cam.ac.uk/group/duer/research/collagen-glycation-and-diabetes

here is another from the front page of this very site don´t know how valid this science is..
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/news/2016...houlder-in-people-with-diabetes-96740686.html

Freema said:

here is another from the front page of this very site don´t know how valid this science is..
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/news/2016...houlder-in-people-with-diabetes-96740686.html

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Be careful with this. I had a salesman come to demonstrate a similar machine they market for Home Therapy and use in Nursing Homes. After about 10 minutes. my arm and hand went completely numb, and remained so for about a day. I did manage to recover from it, but a repeat session had similar effects, and I claimed my money back. I have not had any problem since, but my original discomfort remains, so it did not cure me at all.

Oldvatr said:

Be careful with this. I had a salesman come to demonstrate a similar machine they market for Home Therapy and use in Nursing Homes. After about 10 minutes. my arm and hand went completely numb, and remained so for about a day. I did manage to recover from it, but a repeat session had similar effects, and I claimed my money back. I have not had any problem since, but my original discomfort remains, so it did not cure me at all.

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well thats scary..

Does adhesive capsulitis have anything to do with bursitis?

Have you seen a physio? I have shockwave therapy for my hip bursitis, so maybe it works for shoulders as well? I think it's also being used for frozen shoulder if that turns out to be the issue. They seem to be interchangeable diagnoses depending on the doctor you see.

I had it in my ankle.

Taken 8 weeks to heal, I would recommend a physio.

I had this before. The doc gave me some anti flammatories and codeine since i was struggling to sleep. Found out it was due to me doing ironing. When i stopped the issue went away.