Can keto cause diabetes???

porl69 · Feb 12, 2020

What are peoples thoughts??

https://www.pcrm.org/news/exam-room-podcast/can-keto-diet-cause-diabetes

Member496333 · Feb 12, 2020

Possibly, but at least if you catch diabetes you can use the same diet to cure it

Geordie_P · Feb 12, 2020

Jim Lahey said:
Possibly, but at least if you catch diabetes you can use the same diet to cure it

Agree with Jim,
and perhaps more importantly, how long has keto been popular? How many people are actually doing keto in the general population? Now let's compare that to the time-frame and scale of the diabetes boom.

You'll be going some to convince me that keto is a leading, or even significant cause of T2

Which begs the question, why are they focusing on this very small, niche group? Let's have a quick look at them online:

Geordie_P · Feb 12, 2020

A quick google on the 'Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine' shows they are an animal rights organization masquerading as a healthcare concern:

The National Council Against Health Fraud has criticized PCRM as being "a propaganda machine" and the American Medical Association has called PCRM a "pseudo-physicians group" promoting possibly dangerous nutritional advice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicians_Committee_for_Responsible_Medicine

So there you go.

porl69 · Feb 12, 2020

Geordie_P said:
So there you go.

Hey, don't shoot the messenger. A friend of mine pointed me to the podcast and asked my thoughts on it. Just put it on here to see what people would say

Geordie_P · Feb 12, 2020

porl69 said:
Hey, don't shoot the messenger. A friend of mine pointed me to the podcast and asked my thoughts on it. Just put it on here to see what people would say

Oh, that wasn't directed at you- not at all!
I just meant it's another one of these things that looks OK at first flush, but isn't really what it seems.

bulkbiker · Feb 12, 2020

porl69 said:
What are peoples thoughts??

https://www.pcrm.org/news/exam-room-podcast/can-keto-diet-cause-diabetes

Vegan propaganda site.. PCRM is Dr Neil Barnard's mouthpiece..

Jaylee · Feb 12, 2020

Geordie_P said:
A quick google on the 'Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine' shows they are an animal rights organization masquerading as a healthcare concern:

The National Council Against Health Fraud has criticized PCRM as being "a propaganda machine" and the American Medical Association has called PCRM a "pseudo-physicians group" promoting possibly dangerous nutritional advice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicians_Committee_for_Responsible_Medicine

So there you go.

Oddly, the first thing that struck me before I hit the play button on the podcast was the website's promotion of plant based diet.

So, what I was hearing as it rolled was "shock jock" broadcasting with dodgy questionable stats & scare tactics about lol, overweight meat eaters walking around unaware they are diabetic.
He may as well had been telling us that "aliens walk among us?"

Now don't get me wrong. I eat my fair share of the lower carb vegetarian dishes. & love em.
Primarily I'm a meat eater.

I've heard fairer less "don't swallow (insert diatary choice here.), it'll wrap around yer heart."

Jaylee · Feb 12, 2020

porl69 said:
Hey, don't shoot the messenger. A friend of mine pointed me to the podcast and asked my thoughts on it. Just put it on here to see what people would say

Hi,

It wasn't a non D informing you can cure T1 with raw veg & fruit smoothies, was it.?

We've both been around the "block" to know the score on that one!

bulkbiker · Feb 12, 2020

Jaylee said:
Hi,

It wasn't a non D informing you can cure T1 with raw veg & fruit smoothies, was it.?

We've both been around the "block" to know the score on that one!

I guess we should also be asking if keto is meant to cause T1 or T2?

Hotpepper20000 · Feb 12, 2020

Often the typical images of meat eaters and health problems don’t separate the ones who eat carnivore, keto or low carb with meat. It usually just portrays some one who eats a bacon cheeseburger with a large helping of fries.

Member496333 · Feb 12, 2020

We must be overdue another Keto Crotch? I’ll start the ball rolling with Keto Hair. People eating ketogenic diets have bad hairstyles.

Any takers?

LittleGreyCat · Feb 12, 2020

Jim Lahey said:
We must be overdue another Keto Crotch? I’ll start the ball rolling with Keto Hair. People eating ketogenic diets have bad hairstyles.

Any takers?

Isn't lack of hair (on the head) a possible sign of elevated testosterone levels?

JohnEGreen · Feb 12, 2020

Jim Lahey said:
We must be overdue another Keto Crotch? I’ll start the ball rolling with Keto Hair. People eating ketogenic diets have bad hairstyles.

Any takers?

Now it's funny you should say that but.

"How Common is Hair Loss for People on Keto?
The first thing to know is, hair loss is relatively common in people on ketogenic diets. It doesn’t happen to everyone, but it happens to enough people that it’s a well-recognized phenomenon.
The formal name for the type of hair loss that occurs on keto is telogen effluvium ( 1), and this distinguishes it from other types of hair loss, such as male-pattern baldness, alopecia areata, or hair loss induced by chemotherapy or radiation.
Thinner hair seems like a small price to pay for the wide range of health improvements you experience on a ketogenic diet, but in our image-oriented modern society, losing a lot of hair can have a powerful negative impact on self-esteem and self-image.
As noted in a paper from the American Academy of Family Physicians, “Physicians should be careful not to underestimate the emotional impact of hair loss for some patients.”"

https://ketodietapp.com/Blog/lchf/why-am-i-losing-hair-on-a-keto-diet

Jaylee · Feb 12, 2020

bulkbiker said:
I guess we should also be asking if keto is meant to cause T1 or T2?

I got no idea on the T1 front, but before I was Dx'd, I did tear through a lot of salad.. Not that I blame the humble lettuce for anything.

All I know is the diet promoted on the podcasts cites legumes & fruit which is meant to stabilise BG. How high that BG was stabilzed at, for a T2 was anybody's guess..
In their favour. Lol, they did demonise refined sugar stating it will spike & possibly leave you a hypoglycemic anxious wreck a couple of hours later..

Give it a listen. You know you want to..

bulkbiker · Feb 12, 2020

JohnEGreen said:
Now it's funny you should say that but.

"How Common is Hair Loss for People on Keto?
The first thing to know is, hair loss is relatively common in people on ketogenic diets. It doesn’t happen to everyone, but it happens to enough people that it’s a well-recognized phenomenon.
The formal name for the type of hair loss that occurs on keto is telogen effluvium ( 1), and this distinguishes it from other types of hair loss, such as male-pattern baldness, alopecia areata, or hair loss induced by chemotherapy or radiation.
Thinner hair seems like a small price to pay for the wide range of health improvements you experience on a ketogenic diet, but in our image-oriented modern society, losing a lot of hair can have a powerful negative impact on self-esteem and self-image.
As noted in a paper from the American Academy of Family Physicians, “Physicians should be careful not to underestimate the emotional impact of hair loss for some patients.”"

https://ketodietapp.com/Blog/lchf/why-am-i-losing-hair-on-a-keto-diet

Although for most it seems a temporary condition and when the hair returns it seems to be better quality..
Some on carnivore even report grey hair turning back to its original colouring.. magic eh?

bulkbiker · Feb 12, 2020

Jaylee said:
Give it a listen. You know you want to..

No way would I even give that site one upvote by clicking on the link thanks..

Member496333 · Feb 12, 2020

Jaylee said:
How high that BG was stabilzed at, for a T2 was anybody's guess..

My best guess is stabilised at ‘HI’ on most glucometers

Hotpepper20000 · Feb 12, 2020

JohnEGreen said:
Now it's funny you should say that but.

"How Common is Hair Loss for People on Keto?
The first thing to know is, hair loss is relatively common in people on ketogenic diets. It doesn’t happen to everyone, but it happens to enough people that it’s a well-recognized phenomenon.
The formal name for the type of hair loss that occurs on keto is telogen effluvium ( 1), and this distinguishes it from other types of hair loss, such as male-pattern baldness, alopecia areata, or hair loss induced by chemotherapy or radiation.
Thinner hair seems like a small price to pay for the wide range of health improvements you experience on a ketogenic diet, but in our image-oriented modern society, losing a lot of hair can have a powerful negative impact on self-esteem and self-image.
As noted in a paper from the American Academy of Family Physicians, “Physicians should be careful not to underestimate the emotional impact of hair loss for some patients.”"

https://ketodietapp.com/Blog/lchf/why-am-i-losing-hair-on-a-keto-diet

My experience working with new mothers and others around me who have changed their WOE, is that sometimes when the body goes though extreme changes hair is lost.
I know for myself, my hair thinned when I went low carb and normalized my BG. However now my skin, hair and nails are strong two years later.

Jaylee · Feb 12, 2020

Jim Lahey said:
My best guess is stabilised at ‘HI’ on most glucometers

Oooh, that's over 33mmol.

I was feeling a little more optimistic, thinking early to late teens..

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