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can we produce the evidence

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Can we produce the evidence? Could one of the computer geeks among us set up some kind of databse into which we could enter stuff such as our average BG readings, HbA1cs, blood pressure, cholesterol, further health issues and dietary and medication info and see what pops out. It would hardly be a double blind test and we couldn't guarantee accuracy or truthfullness, but we might have enough to show and interest a research team
 
just sitting - been weeding- i hate gardening!

There is already a big trial going on in the west country looking at low carb diets nd comparing to a higher carb plan. I am not sure when it wil be completed - I spoke to someone lat year and it wasnt finished. Early results were showing very similar results except that the low carbers lost wt quicker to beg with - and that has been shown in other trials but levels out.

I think it would be dufficult for the boffins to look at the results without questioning them - people often don't tell the truth!
 
This West Country trial. Is it looking at diabetic health issues or just weight? I'd be much more interested in the health side of things. I know about the Swedish study, which is very small scale, but after 44 months, the low carbers are still doing better.
 
it is looking at all diabetes indicators inc compliance to a low carb plan. They are looking at wt, chol, hba etc plus how much carb. I spoke to a dietitian last year and she told me that most people were struggling and had migrated up the carb intake.!
 
Hmmmm, maybe it's just me but, I wonder if that could have something to do with running a 'low carb' trial while simultaneously recommending a high carb diet?

All the best,

fergus
 
No disputing that, Greg.

The answer, surely, is that we should restrict them sufficiently in order to normalise blood sugars and thereby minimise risk of complications. We all realise that probably means something different to each of us. It also means a bit of a shift of emphasis on the part of the NHS. Rather than eating the same old way and upping the meds to get by, instead, eating better and reducing the meds. Perhaps even stopping the meds altogether. Shades of grey it certainly is, but the priciple should be blindingly obvious. It can be done!

All the best,

fergus
 
ah now fergus now u are talking - i think yes a re think but not the extremes of low carbing . This study is being carried out by a very good diabetes centre and is british - is being analysed in detail . It will be useful as evidence because there isnt really an awful lot and alot of the studies are too small.I think one of the important things it is looking at compliance which is a very big issue!

using stats from people of here would be useless as u would be unable to verify it!
 
Ally, everyone will lose interest in this forum if we start agreeing with each other. This must stop immediately and never happen again!

All the best,

fergus
 
Where do we find out more about the West country trials?
 
Setting up such a database would be a piece of cake (er, sorry). The big question is what kind of queries would you want to run on it?

I'd also point out that unless you plan on investing in an SSL secured server, you would want to keep all personally identifiable information off it. (I'm a professional geek, before you ask )
 
the trial is stil under way - dont know when it wil be published . I think they did publish some iinitial results but I dont have a copy - it was all on my laptop which blew up. I think maybe next year they may publish but it is a big trial and so alot of data and food diaries to analyse! I will keep u posted if I hear anything.
 
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