PenguinMum
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- Type of diabetes
- Type 2
- Treatment type
- Diet only
Thanks Bluetit. I have just got back from DN and didnt ask this question in time. However, I am reluctant to take meds if I can manage it without so I will persevere for another quarter. Review again in June, my choice. She was very impressed with my latest HBA1c though. I take on board what you say about not testing in the morning. I dont think I am anxious really, its just my routine testing at start of breakfast. So maybe I will only test mornings if I eat something else. Trust me to have a stubborn liver!It can take a long time for DP to disappear. It is telling you that you are still suffering with insulin resistance and/or a fatty liver.
Because you are getting these high morning numbers, when you get out of bed and wash your hands before testing, are you starting to feel anxious and stressed about what the levels will be? That in itself can cause them to rise. Maybe it is time to stop your fasting test and concentrate on other times of the day, just for the time being, or cut down and only do it once a month or once a week.
Your 3g carb breakfast sounds fine to me.
Metformin can help with the liver dumps. I believe that is its main job, although to what extent it helps I have no idea. I think it may differ from person to person. You have done brilliantly without it, but it is up to you if you ask your nurse to prescribe it for you. Of course, she may be reluctant to do so.
I dont think I am anxious really, its just my routine testing at start of breakfast.
Yes thats what I am saying. I get up at 8, test and start eating at 8.30am.Are you saying you take your fasting reading after getting up and making breakfast, or do you test as soon as you get out of bed?
Yes thats what I am saying. I get up at 8, test and start eating at 8.30am.
Sorry didnt word that properly. I get up at 8 and dont test till I sit down to eat at 8.30am. Is this wrong?That is the best way. I did wonder if you waited a while before testing, eg until breakfast was ready, but obviously you don't!
Think about it this way. The Dawn Phenomenon is simply moving sugar from body stores (liver) into the blood. That’s it. If your body stores are filled to bursting, then you will expel as much of that sugar as possible. By itself it is neither good nor bad. It is simply a marker that your body has too much sugar. Solution? Simple. Either don’t put any sugar in (LCHF) or burn it off (Fasting). Even better? LCHF + IF.
Thank you for reply. Dinner fast would be hard for me and my BG is usually in the low 5s region pre dinner. It seems my BG rises all morning and then from 2pm drops. I can easily miss lunch but I would struggle to fast all morning. I have been trying to get a breakfast I like (and can manage to sustain) with low or no carbs and my ho emade cheese scone at 3g fits the brief.Another way to look at DP is how Dr Jason Fung so elegantly put it.
https://idmprogram.com/dawn-phenomenon-t2d-8/
Dinner fast may be the most effective method to clear both liver glycogen store and brain amyloid plaques. So that is something you may want to consider.
Sorry didnt word that properly. I get up at 8 and dont test till I sit down to eat at 8.30am. Is this wrong?
Thanks for your reply. I eat supper at 8pm and go to bed around 10.30pm so what you describe as a bedtime snack is like a meal to me. I am glad you have found a way round it. I need to find a way that works for me.@PenguinMum
I had this problem a while ago. Don't know if this will work for you as it did me but worth a shot. I now have a small snack immediately before bed. Nothing big, just a few slices of ham or salami with cheese and a bit of tomato or an olive. It has been working well for me. Morning BGs now low 5s.
Glenn
Yes. Dinner fast does require some efforts. But the results are always encouraging.
I can guarantee it would last a day, or probably not even that.
Actually you would only need a dinner or two to see the improvements...then decide if it is all worth it...
Thanks Bluetit. I will bring my kit up with me tonight. So if I test at 8 should I test again half an hour later before I eat?That could be one reason why you are still higher than you want to be.
The act of coming down stairs, making breakfast, having a wash, getting dressed, rushing about, will all add to raised levels and liver dumps. A true fasting reading is taken immediately you get out of bed (after washing hands) and before doing anything else. Have a go tomorrow and see what happens. Let us know!
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