Pinkorchid
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My brother-in-law has lived in Sweden with his Swedish wife for over 30 years . He was diagnosed with T2 about three years ago. This week he was over here for his sisters funeral and was talking to my husband.. his brother.. about the fact they both have T2. It seems in Sweden an awful lot have much the same idea as many many people do in the UK. that as long as you take the tablets ...he was taking Metformin... you can eat anything and the tablets would keep the blood glucose under control. He had never heard of LCHF so could not understand why when my husband is taking Metformin he would not eat the high carb buffet food at the after funeral wake . I thought that Sweden were one of the leading countries when it came to good health and diets. I did read that they were now saying that higher fat could be good for preventing diabetes but it was more about full fat dairy and good oils but still high fat saturated meat was not recommended
I think LCHF is generally well know in Sweden but sadly here as in many other countries the diabetes care HCP people are still brainwashed when it comes to carbs and fat. My DSN, for example, is sad because her patients rarely manage to reach the target HbA1c. She is deeply suspicious of low carbing and has advised me to eat plenty of fruit and bread but has given up on me and decided I wasn't diabetic at all as my HbA1c now is 32. My cardiologist has no problems with me eating LCHF though, she thinks it's a good idea to keep BG normal.
Moderate low carb, not LCHF, is one of four diets recommended for diabetics but this is fairly new.
There are a few Swedish low carb diabetes groups on FB, should he be interested. Smarta diabetiker for example and Smarta Diabetikers Recept.
Unfortunately that is not grams of carbs but E%.I just checked. Since 2011 the official recommendations include LCHF(30-40g carb). They also mention LCHF(10-20g carb), but do not recommend it.
Unfortunately that is not grams of carbs but E%.
The report behind the dietary recommendations had to conclude there wasn't a lot of evidence for any kind of diabetes diet. The report was published some years ago and a lot of things have been published since so time for a new evaluation.
Think this looks like a definition for how to calculate E% i could not get an english translationSorry, my mistake.
... & to be fair. This is in essence a thread about an "expat" with T2 managing it "his way".
It's not a true representation of the nation he's located in as a whole. Many might live on herring & cheese??
Incidentally, I've been to Sweden. The veriaty of food on offer where I stayed was healthy & extensive, (including the usual culprits.)
But the LC options were also good quality & in veriaty too! Better than any other European country for choice at the breakfast table...
... & to be fair. This is in essence a thread about an "expat" with T2 managing it "his way".
It's not a true representation of the nation he's located in as a whole. Many might live on herring & cheese??
Incidentally, I've been to Sweden. The veriaty of food on offer where I stayed was healthy & extensive, (including the usual culprits.)
But the LC options were also good quality & in veriaty too! Better than any other European country for choice at the breakfast table...
It wasn't my intention to as Sophie2 said to generalize about Sweden and their diabetes information as I believe it is a very healthy country I am sure there as here many many people with diabetes get very good advice and know the importance of low carbing and perhaps some who do not. I was just surprised that my brother-in-law said that he can eat anything he wants to as long as he takes the tablets someone must have told him that. I know his wife who sadly now has Alzheimers and is in residential care was very health and exercise conscious as is his daughter who is a fitness instructor and qualified dietician but she lives about 400 miles away from her dad so would not really be aware of how he eats
It wasn't my intention to as Sophie2 said to generalize about Sweden and their diabetes information as I believe it is a very healthy country
Sorry if I gave the impression that it was you, Pinkorcid. It wasn't you, but some of the other posters that gave me that impression. You only wanted to know if the Swedish T2's were informed about "low carb" or not. I cannot speak for Sweden, but I can tell that in Norway we base our nutrition advices on European and to some degree American standards, based on science. The Mediterranean diet seem to be the one most well documented for the time being.* Low carbs isn't so popular now. May be that is the same in Sweden and that was why your brother-in law hadn't heard about it. Of course we have GP's in Scandinavia that don't know so much about Diabetes as they should. That may have been a factor that contributed to your brother-in law's view on how to live with his Diabetes. My former GP didn't inform me when I was pre-diabetic ... I think that so it can be in every country (that some GPs are not well informed in all diagnoses). That's one of the reasons why the Diabetic Associations around the Globe are very important.
Diabetes can infect, among others, kidneys, lungs, heart and more. Diet has to be good for all those and be effective at both short time and long time.
* http://content.onlinejacc.org/article.aspx?articleid=1144261&issueno=11#tab1
You didn't generalise.
If anything, Sophie generalised that anyone who doesn't manage their own diabetes well is because they choose to ignore it, rather than because they haven't been advised by a HP correctly.
Especially if Norway uses American, and general European advice as well, and low carb is not popular.
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