Does anyone on high fat low carb diet find they need MORE insulin?

Snapsy said:

Eggs are my favourite food so I hope I never get bored of them! Have had four today already, and I'm about to pop one each into tonight's fishpie.......

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They are fantastic for thickening most things. Far safer than cornflour, for me, anyway.
Dietdoctor fb has a few pizza bases built with eggs. Trying to convert son. Just for pizza thou. He isn't diabetic you see.

I just went off them, couldnt face one but by abstaining I've gained my appetite for eggs again. Phew!

Kristin251 said:

Do you find different fats act differently? Can you take a guess as to how much protein you eat in a day? Carbs? Just curious.

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I probably eat in the region of 130g of protein a day made up of meat, cheese, eggs, nuts, and occasionally cream. Unexpected things like salad cress(!) and veg contain protein, and it all gets counted on myfitnesspal. That is probably far too high in protein, my kidneys are fine. I did nearly have a heart attack when the optician started talking about dots on my eyes last year, but then she explained it was probably from excess protein and having run that morning.

I've not really noticed different fats having much of different impact. It's mainly cheese/cream high fat meals for dinner that I know will need a correction at midnight and 3am.

But I have had what Gordon Ramsey would probably hold his head in his hands in despair at for me calling it guacamole and is probable more accurately called mushed avocado scooped up with celery and that causes much more of a rise than the carbs and protein therein would really explain, even when adequately bolused for.

I just have to look at food and I rise. Any food, it doesn't matter.

Animal fats is an interesting theory that I really should give more consideration to, but I don't think I have the energy to figure out what I would eat as a vegan!

catapillar said:

It's mainly cheese/cream high fat meals for dinner that I know will need a correction at midnight and 3am.

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I'm just bracing myself for this tonight. Fish pie (cream and cheese) followed by chocolate mousse (chocolate, cream and cream cheese) - neither is an everyday menu item at Chateau Snapsy, btw - will see me steady Eddie until BOOM in the blood sugar stakes in the middle of the night............

catapillar said:

I probably eat in the region of 130g of protein a day made up of meat, cheese, eggs, nuts, and occasionally cream. Unexpected things like salad cress(!) and veg contain protein, and it all gets counted on myfitnesspal. That is probably far too high in protein, my kidneys are fine. I did nearly have a heart attack when the optician started talking about dots on my eyes last year, but then she explained it was probably from excess protein and having run that morning.

I've not really noticed different fats having much of different impact. It's mainly cheese/cream high fat meals for dinner that I know will need a correction at midnight and 3am.

But I have had what Gordon Ramsey would probably hold his head in his hands in despair at for me calling it guacamole and is probable more accurately called mushed avocado scooped up with celery and that causes much more of a rise than the carbs and protein therein would really explain, even when adequately bolused for.

I just have to look at food and I rise. Any food, it doesn't matter.

Animal fats is an interesting theory that I really should give more consideration to, but I don't think I have the energy to figure out what I would eat as a vegan!

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Thank you for that and very interesting. Now I'm wondering what my avocado does. I need it at every meal so I stay steady but I thought it was the fat and fiber. It is pretty high carb if you don't take the net out.
You're a rocket scientist with bg. Help me figure this out please.
If I eat just protein I spike as fast and high as carbs no matter when I bolus
If I eat carbs alone forget it
If I eat the right amount of avo with my meals I stay steady. Not enough and I drop then rise about two hours later or just drop.
So now after what you said I'm wondering if the avo carbs fill the gap between the protein rise and insulin? I eat very few carbs. Lunch and dinner are a few chopped scallions radish and celery and dinner includes a lettuce wrap. My stomach doesn't tolerate carbs other than those. Bf is a slice of turkey on a lettuce wrap with mustard and mayo. It used to be avo but this halved my insulin in the morning
I always thought it was the fat and fiber but maybe it's the carbs balancing out the insulin?
As far as animal fats, I do eat them, chicken thighs with no skin and no other fat on the chicken. I eat lamb chops and lean steak with all visible fat cut off. It I eat the skin, bacon, have cheese on something I do get a delayed spike for what feels like hours or days. I try to limit myself to one ounce of cheese as my on.y dairy. Heaven help,me if I eat a burger. I'd be blousing every two hours for 24 hours haha.

So what do you think the role is of my avo. ??

I look at food and rise too. And no window washing for me. Any exceesion and away I go!!

One last question. How many carbs do you eat?? Anything starchy?
I completely understand the no energy to figure things out!! Exercise scares me to death. And I'm not sure the exercise out weighs the roller coaster and fluctuations. Is rather sit on bum. Just kidding. I really miss yoga.

Snapsy said:

I'm just bracing myself for this tonight. Fish pie (cream and cheese) followed by chocolate mousse (chocolate, cream and cream cheese) - neither is an everyday menu item at Chateau Snapsy, btw - will see me steady Eddie until BOOM in the blood sugar stakes in the middle of the night............

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I also haven't determined what butter does. Since an MCT it might act different.

It seems you kind of notice the same thing with animal fat. Or it could be DAIRY fat as it's very insulinogenic.
If you ate a chicken breast would you need as much insulin as a burger?? If you ate a chicken thigh WITH tha skin would you require more insulin than if it were boneless skinless??
All the best foods require more jabs!!

Kristin251 said:

You're a rocket scientist with bg.

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I'm definitely piloting Challenger so I would approach my view with extreme caution!

You're long term very low carb aren't you? So it could be that you're body is just terribly well practised and efficient at gluconogenesis so that's why you rise quickly with just protein? It might that when you are eating only protein then your body is focused on gluconogenesis, but when you eat carbs and protein it will deal with the carbs first, delaying gluconogenisis? And even if they are complex carbs and fairly slow release because digesting something very fibrous takes time, your body will still want to get at the carbs first as the easier option than doing gluconogenesis and once it's got some carbs from the fibrous avocado, it doesn't need to do maximum glconogenisis on all of the protein so not as much protein gets turned into glucose? So you get a steadier, more extended rise?

Kristin251 said:

So now after what you said I'm wondering if the avo carbs fill the gap between the protein rise and insulin?

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I don't know if technically, why it works ought to concern you too much. So long as you're happy with what goes on confident managing it that's the main thing.

Kristin251 said:

One last question. How many carbs do you eat?? Anything starchy?

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Probably 20-40g a day. Not much starchy in there. I might have low carb bread if doing a long run occasionally.

Thank you. I KNOW I'm a rock star at gluconeogenisis! I'm going to work on my afternoon pre bolus lunch timing. Trying to stop the drop at one hour and then the rise. It was perfect at one time but now I'm getting the dip. I'll take 5 min off tomorrow.

I was thinking about your mushy guacamole raising you. I eat the firm flesh and I have never made a smooothie with it hough tempted. Thinking the mushy is taking all the fiber out. Then it would just become a carb

I'd love a smoothie but I think it would digest WAY to fast

catapillar said:

I'm definitely piloting Challenger so I would approach my view with extreme caution!

You're long term very low carb aren't you? So it could be that you're body is just terribly well practised and efficient at gluconogenesis so that's why you rise quickly with just protein? It might that when you are eating only protein then your body is focused on gluconogenesis, but when you eat carbs and protein it will deal with the carbs first, delaying gluconogenisis? And even if they are complex carbs and fairly slow release because digesting something very fibrous takes time, your body will still want to get at the carbs first as the easier option than doing gluconogenesis and once it's got some carbs from the fibrous avocado, it doesn't need to do maximum glconogenisis on all of the protein so not as much protein gets turned into glucose? So you get a steadier, more extended rise?



I don't know if technically, why it works ought to concern you too much. So long as you're happy with what goes on confident managing it that's the main thing.



Probably 20-40g a day. Not much starchy in there. I might have low carb bread if doing a long run occasionally.

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Just thought of this. You're in Canada right ? Do your foods come with fiber already subtracted off? That would make 5 oz avo 3 carbs vs the 15 it really has. 11 fiber but I hav never seem fiber act any different than a carb in my bs. A carb is a carb. Fiber might slow it a bit but it still shows up. That could explain things.