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Type 2 Fasting blood sugar

Oscarbromley

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Hi,
I was diagnosed with type 2 about 8 weeks ago and all my doctor has said was eat a healthy diet, exercise and lose weight and come back and see the nurse in the new year for another blood test.
I am on 2 metformin twice a day and eat healthy and have lost nearly two stone. I usually sit at about 6.3 after a couple hours of a meal, but my fasting reading this morning is 10.3, why does it go up during the night and is this very high.
Help please.
 
Same here mine is highest in morning's. Dont know why. I was thinking about asking the same question.
 
Hi and welcome to the forum. The reason for the overnight rise is called dawn phenomenon. Pretty much everyone experiences it to one degree or another including non diabetics. If you do a search on the forum for it there are many threads discussing it but basically it is your liver pumping out glucose to get you ready to jump out of bed and chase an antelope or go to work lol. I am going to tag @daisy1 to send you the welcoming info we all get as newcomers. It is well worth a good read and will cover a lot of questions. Once you have had time to receive and read it through come back and ask any questions you might have. It sounds like you have made a very good start and this is a great place to be.
 
Hi and welcome to the forum.

There is something called Dawn Phenomenon. It is probably best that you google it, because a detailed explanation is long and complicated.

The basic version is that our bodies release a cocktail of hormones every morning, to make us wake up and be alert and ready to start the day. This can, particularly in diabetics, result in raised blood glucose. It is a natural process, but many of us would prefer that our blood glucose didn't rise so much!

Doctors are interested in your fasting morning readings less because of DP, and more because it is an indication of how well controlled your diabetes is (should be under 7mmol/l for diabetics, I believe, although many of us aim to eliminate the rise completely, and keep stable levels throughout).

You mentioned that you eat healthy, but can I ask what you are eating for your healthy diet? Sometimes morning blood glucose levels are affected by long and short term food choices that we really believe are healthy.
 
@Oscarbromley

Hello Oscar and welcome to the forum Here, as mentioned above, is the basic information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 220,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi Brunneria
Thanks for the post. Yesterday I started with 25g of oats with fresh fruit, lunch I had whole meal bread with fresh chicken and salad, during afternoon I had one slice go ahead bar, evening meal small jacket with chicken salad followed by fresh fruit and before bed two sugar free wager biscuits, struggle giving up bread at lunch time, never sure what to have without it.
Thanks for the post
 
I usually sit at about 6.3 after a couple hours of a meal, but my fasting reading this morning is 10.3, why does it go up during the night and is this very high.
Help please.

This is an alternative view regarding the dawn phenomenon.

https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/dawn-phenomenon-t2d-8/
Rather than eating something before sleeping, I find that having earlier dinner or no dinner helps to clear this up rather neatly.
 

Hi,

Thanks for the menu. That amount of carbohydrate would floor me! But you mentioned in your original post that you usually get readings in the 6s at 2 hours after food, so it looks like it might be working for you. I am envious.

You could try tweaking the carbs down a bit for a few days and seeing if that reduces your DP - especially the late night carb snacking (try cheese or nuts instead) but one of the problems with DP is that it often responds very slowly, so you might find it was weeks before you noticed improvements.

Hopefully other people will have more suggestions.
 
A high morning level can also be due to too much protein the day before. Excess protein (protein your body doesn't need) often converts to glucose, but this takes a lot longer to happen than it does with carbs, even as long as a whole day. This, combined with DP could mean higher morning levels. I'm not suggesting this is what is causing your very high fasting levels, but it is something for you to think about if nothing else works. Then there are other issues, such as a restless night - that will affect morning levels as well.

Do you test before you go to bed? That would give you an indication of just how much you rise.
 
Hi funny you said that as I did have a very bad night so that may have contributed to it. Will test when I go to bed and see the difference in morning. Thanks for the reply.
 
Hi funny you said that as I did have a very bad night so that may have contributed to it. Will test when I go to bed and see the difference in morning. Thanks for the reply.

Yep, your bad night will not have helped and will have contributed.
 
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