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Food Unwrapped Last Night C4, 8PM

KevinPotts

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An excellent summer diet special:

1. Miso soup diet (never heard of it): this includes a paste made from rice which gets added to Bonita fish flakes and sea weed. It creates the new taste Unami and a UK Prof explained that it was the fish and seaweed creating the Unami (sorry forgot the chemicals) that trigger a brain response for satiety - thus the recipient eats less and the weight comes off. My thoughts - too specialised unless just a component in a lifestyle diet

2. Wine Vinegar diet: they carried out a poor test. Nutritionist explained the acetic acid helps reduce BG so the test was eating a bowl of chips after overnight fasting then the same again with 30g of Sarson's chip shop vinegar.....at least it was funny results were mixed, some BG up and some down.

3. Is there such a thing as a calorie negative food?: the first scientific test ever carried out in a bariatric chamber with this UK Prof. In short celery was proved to use more body calories in the digestion of any given portion and a liquidised portion, used even more Cs. From my recollection, the liquid version used around 100C more than the amount within the celery. Amazing! Again just useful as part of lifestyle diet

4. Bloomin Poo Transplant: yep take the best guy microbes extracted from poo donators and feed it into the gut of the recipient... All for the pleasure of parting with £4,000. Flippin hec... count me out. Then a serious Prof talked about how important we are now discovering the gut micro biome is. I agree. Supplementing with quality Probiotics is on my regime list

Interesting stuff


Diagnosed 13/4/16: T2, no meds, HbA1c 53, FBG 12.6, Trigs 3.6, HDL .75, LDL 4.0, BP 169/95, 13st 8lbs, waist 34" (2012 - 17st 7lbs, w 42").

6/6/16: FBG AV 4.6, Trigs 1.5, HDL 2.0, LDL 3.0, BP 112/68, BPM 66, 11st 11lbs, waist 30". Lifelong migraines and hay fever gone.

Regime: 20g LCHF, run 1 mile daily, weekly fasting.
 
The Vinegar is meant to be quite useful.. Just finished reading "The Obesity Code" by Dr Fung. He seems to recommend apple cider vinegar to help with insulin control (at least I'm pretty sure that's hat he said.. these medical books do confuse me quite a bit).. the test after chips does seem a little ridiculous though.
 
From what I've read, the scientific consensus is that the evidence it works is pretty poor, conducted on either rats or on humans with a very low number of participants (which means that the chance of random results is high), one study found it made glycaemic control worse. I think generally, the thinking is that it's not a quick fix, there are no magical cures and it might help a bit under certain conditions, but it's mostly a distraction and/or marketing exercise and no substitute for a healthy diet or medication.
 

Yes... That was the expert opinion... Good BS control and actually any vinegar as it's the Acetic Acid that does the job


Diagnosed 13/4/16: T2, no meds, HbA1c 53, FBG 12.6, Trigs 3.6, HDL .75, LDL 4.0, BP 169/95, 13st 8lbs, waist 34" (2012 - 17st 7lbs, w 42").

6/6/16: FBG AV 4.6, Trigs 1.5, HDL 2.0, LDL 3.0, BP 112/68, BPM 66, 11st 11lbs, waist 30". Lifelong migraines and hay fever gone.

Regime: 20g LCHF, run 1 mile daily, weekly fasting.
 
I remember hearing about this property of celery years ago, and - according to various links on Google - there are over 50 other similar fruits and vegetables, generally those which appear to be high in both fibre and water content, which would possibly be the reason for any "negativity". Many of them are included in a plethora of miracle weight loss diets, but some are also very low in carbs and are recommended as part of our LCHF diets and manyof these also have high vitamin and mineral content.

I suppose that if I chose to eat mostly very low calorie food and not much else, I'd end up losing weight anyway - filling myself up with non digestible bulky fibre, and eventually ending up in ketosis and burning off my fat reserves.

Robbity
 
You made a slight mistake about Miso soup teh main ingredient is based on SOYA not Rice. I decided to get some to try, it does make you feel full easier but I find the taste a bit unpleasant personally. It is not a taste that fits the western diet, so I am going to go back to eating pasta, thats fills me up and my sugars are always more even across a day when I eat it, we make one mistake in the UK because we always add too much fat heavy sauce instead of a lighter fish or vegetable rich sauce, I personally like a nice dense tomato sauce with a small amount of well cooked meat and very little added oil.
The rest of the programme was interesting and I think quite genuinely informative for a change.
 

Thanks @darkman, I was doing the best my mind could recall and it often fails me


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The diets all sound a little intense to me, but I wouldn't discount the umami component of the Miso soup diet. Apparently umami is the "fifth flavour" (alongside sweet, sour, salty, and bitter). I suspect the chemical you might have been thinking of was glutamate.

I don't know that umami promotes satiety, but it sure is yummy. I found a recipe a while ago and so far have used it in stir fries. You could also just buy some: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1250095/The-magic-paste-cooking-wow-factor.html
 
This probably explains why I had someone in the shop today asking for apple cyder vinegar because she'd seen it on tv! I do sell a hell of a lot of the stuff anyway. It's recommended for allsorts of complaints (the quality, raw organic stuff that is).

As for miso soup. I quite like the taste but I haven't had any since my diagnosis as I don't think it's particularly low in carbs. Miso is usually made from either rice or barley. Seaweed I've used a lot over the years. Tasty stuff with lots of trace minerals.

Poo transplants, ewwwwwwww as it sounds, is really successful in treating some conditions from what I've read. particularly C Difficile which is antibiotic resistant. I read a really interesting article recently where transplant recipients from obese donors then had increase appetite and gained huge amounts of weight themselves. There's obviously a lot more research to be done there.
 

Thanks for your response, I learned something and appreciate that


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I was thinking of posting an article on similar items. Here in Australia, we get a lot of BBC programs on our SBS (state broadcasting service), one of which I am addicted to: Trust me I'm a Doctor.

One of these programs piqued my interest in micro-biome or the flora that lives in our gut. It's an incredibly rapid area of research at the moment and the health of our gut flora is being linked to all sorts of effects in the mind and body from depression, weight loss to diabetes. One theory is that type 1.5 can be triggered by overuse/heavy doses of antibiotics. I had this with suspected appendicitis in my late teens and I was pre-diabetic by 20. The theory is that the auto-immune system goes nuts when the micro-biome is killed off and starts attacking the beta cells. Makes immense sense to me.

This set me on a journey to improve my gut health and the flora from a suburban back yard to a wild jungle. In fact, there's a great article about it: https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2015/may/1430402400/jo-chandler/gut-feelings
it likens taking antibiotics to napalming a jungle to kill a tiger in relation to what it does to our health.

So far, I've experimented with fermenting to get different strains of probiotics.
kim-chee (Korean pickled cabbage) low carb and low cal.
Miso is meant to be good and is made from fermented soya bean so low cal and carb which I love to eat
pickled gherkin with dill
apple cider vinegar with "the mother" it must have this as this is the culture that contains the probiotics
I'm drinking keffir water which I use to ferment fruit juices. The fermenting yeast eats the sugar so you get low cal fizzy drink
Same with Kombucha tea. This is VERY special as diabetic ladies often get thrush from the sugar (I have good control but as part of a wait loss effort with my endo I take tablets that make me urinate 50% of sugar, Forxiga). Drinking Kombucha has banished the thrush and meant one less table to take.

Another discovery, which celery reminded me of, is coconut oil. I've started using it a lot in cooking - moreso baking. It is 'thermogenic' which is a fancy word meaning it takes more energy to process than you take in.

Next on the research list is resistant starch. drakman, white starches normally send my blood sugar reeling but apparently if you cook and cool, the starch becomes 'resistant' and doesn't raise BGs.

Thanks for posting the original article Kevin.
 

Incredibly, the NHS DESMOND course which is a pretty low grade T2 course for newly diagnosed now also have s brief section in the micro biome.

How things are changing

If only cholesterol, sat day and LCHF would move st such speed


Diagnosed 13/4/16: T2, no meds, HbA1c 53, FBG 12.6, Trigs 3.6, HDL .75, LDL 4.0, BP 169/95, BPM 85, 13st 8lbs, waist 34" (2012 - 17st 7lbs, w 42").

16/6/16: FBG AV 4.6, Trigs 1.5, HDL 2.0, LDL 3.0, BP 112/68, BPM 6O, 11st 5lbs, waist 30", PWV 7.0. Lifelong migraines and hay fever gone.

Regime: 20g LCHF, run 1 mile daily, weekly fasting, occasionally longer fasts.
 
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