Forum support for alternative diets

Winnie53 · Jul 17, 2015

@Pinkorchid thank you for starting this topic. It's of great interest to me.

One thing I've learned here and elsewhere is that the LCHF diet does not work well for everyone. I hope to start a local education and support group this fall for type 2 diabetics who wish to use diet and exercise to restore and maintain their health. I'm looking for information for those who need or prefer a different diet.

@Safi, glad you posted your experience. I'm looking for forum members like you who can offer me guidance.

Robbity · Jul 17, 2015

I for one don't normally read about diets (or other issues) that aren't of immediate interest or relevant, which means I'm not aware of (or capable of helping) posters in other areas who may be in need of advice or support. We have a large forum, so I think we just have to be selective and this is this same with all threads - and members will generally only post on topics of interest. But if someone feels that some areas of the forum are lacking information/support/praise, then it's surely up to them to be pro-active and provide it - a forum can only be what its members choose to make it.

Robbity

Brunneria · Jul 17, 2015

NoCrbs4Me said:
I seem to be the only meatetarian on the forum. Hooray for me!

I did think about you when i read the thread's OP.
And i decided not to mention you, in case it was seen as contentious.

But now you've chipped in, i feel i an ask: do you feel neglected and unsupported?

Pinkorchid · Jul 17, 2015

Indy51 said:
I wonder if the VLC/Newcastle Dieters would agree they get poor support - certainly doesn't look that way to me.

This thread does not include those, it's more about other diets that people choose to do for life

Pinkorchid · Jul 17, 2015

Andrew Colvin said:
Read the post but there was nothing to say other than "that's good". I don't low carb and most are horrified when I eat bags of sweets. It is about knowing what you can and can't handle as a diet. If he can handle low GI that's excellent. Others like kat do low GI. I just do what I want but not at the start.
The reason forum members like to suggest low carb is because it is easier to make it work and the evidence seems to back it up. Why would they support something that doesn't work for them?

It is not about supporting the diets it is about supporting the person regardless of what diet they choose to do and just saying.. well done.. when it is working for them

Bluetit1802 · Jul 17, 2015

Pinkorchid said:
This thread does not include those, it's more about other diets that people choose to do for life

You can't move the goal posts on page 3 of a thread! If that was your intention you should have made it clear in your original post.
What "life time" diets are you referring to exactly?

Pipp · Jul 17, 2015

Pinkorchid said:
This thread does not include those, it's more about other diets that people choose to do for life

Oops, looks like I was mistaken when I mentioned earlier that as an advocate of ND I no longer felt unsupported.
I guess some people still regard it with suspicion.
Never mind. I am happy to be excluded.

Edit: ND is, in fact an eating plan for life. This is where many people get confused. The intial phase is 8 weeks food restriction. Following this one has to restrict food/calorie intake by about a third of that previously consumed prior to the 8 week initial period to maintain the weight loss and the improved BG.

Pipp · Jul 17, 2015

Pinkorchid said:
It is not about supporting the diets it is about supporting the person regardless of what diet they choose to do and just saying.. well done.. when it is working for them

I think this contradicts your previous pist.

Opps, sorry, forgot I excluded myself.

Mrsass · Jul 17, 2015

Pinkorchid said:
Do you think we give those people who are on a diet different to LCHF enough support on the forum ?.
I have noticed many times that if someone says they are not doing LCHF but are following another diet and are doing well on it they get hardly any of the positive or the well done replies that those following LCHF do

No

sanguine · Jul 17, 2015

Mrsass said:
No

So what's your explanation for it, assuming it's true? Who should be providing this support, given we tend to read threads of interest to our own choices?

Pinkorchid · Jul 17, 2015

Daibell said:
Hi. Like some others I hadn't noticed that alternative diets don't get many 'well done' replies; obviously that's not good. I think the Gluten diet example wouldn't have got a reply from me as I'm not gluten intolerant so would probably skip the thread if I saw it wasn't relevant to me (there are a lot of posts). The lack of a reply from me shouldn't be taken as not caring. I always avoid the accronym LCHF as I think it's scary to newbies and will be wrongly interpreted as most will not be having high fat but somewhere nearer the middle. If a poster says they are on one of the branded diets such as SW etc I usually suggest they look at the carb content as some are high'ish and most of us have a level of glucose intolerance. I also stress that a diabetes diet usually needs to be for life. In summary I guess I target the majority who post with the most common LC advice but do overlook the exceptions or those with rarer variants of diabetes; not ideal but I'm afraid you have to generalise sometimes.

A gluten free diet is not relevant to me but I still replied and said well done to him. I felt really sorry that he had so little response to his post when he just wanted to say how his choice of diet was working for him

zand · Jul 17, 2015

Pinkorchid said:
A gluten free diet is not relevant to me but I still replied and said well done to him. I felt really sorry that he had so little response to his post when he just wanted to say how his choice of diet was working for him

What was the title of the thread? I've looked and can't find it.

Bluetit1802 · Jul 17, 2015

Pinkorchid said:
A gluten free diet is not relevant to me but I still replied and said well done to him. I felt really sorry that he had so little response to his post when he just wanted to say how his choice of diet was working for him

That is a shame, but I can't imagine for one second this was a deliberate decision by any member to ignore him. I don't recall the thread, maybe the title wasn't clear?

Have you any other examples or links?

zand · Jul 17, 2015

Bluetit1802 said:
That is a shame, but I can't imagine for one second this was a deliberate decision by any member to ignore him. I don't recall the thread, maybe the title wasn't clear?

Have you any other examples or links?

Yes I think maybe the title wasn't clear because I have a vague memory of being busy with other things and skipping past it for some reason. That's why I'd like to see it again.

sally and james · Jul 17, 2015

So that I'm not accused of being a miserable so and so, with no time and thought for anyone else, may I, here and now, send my congratulations, support and very best wishes to everyone, past, present and future, who brought their Hba1c down from dangerously high levels to non-diabetic, reversed retinopathy and changed their lives through sprinkling cinnamon on their porridge, cutting out gluten, reducing fat consumption, eating healthy whole grains and using a smaller dinner plate.
We did it by going low carb, but that's just us.
Sally

mrspuddleduck · Jul 17, 2015

Was going to stay out if this one but what the hell..... I think I know what @Pinkorchid is trying to say. There is a lot about LCHF on the forum and relatively less about other dietry choices. Personally I don't think this is in any way deliberate, its just because so many have had success with LCHF. The 'others' do seem to get less responses and therefore less 'support' but again I don't think that's deliberate apart from the occasional dodgy comment which is born perhaps more from over enthusiasm than malice. Personally I'd like to say thanks to @Pinkorchid for pointing it out, hadn't thought about it before but actually I certainly have ignored threads that I don't think apply to me but maybe I should and will make more effort to explore some of the things that I actually don't know anything about. After all we are all after the same goal, aren't we? Sue xx

AndBreathe · Jul 17, 2015

Most people arrive here looking for a way to achieve a specific; moderating their blood scores or losing weight, mainly - for T2s at least. Few people come on saying, please show me a way of eating for life.

zand · Jul 17, 2015

So I've found the thread now. It's entitled HBA 1C, I didn't read it because I didn't realise it was a success story. As others have said I don't have time to read every thread.

Pipp · Jul 17, 2015

Well, @mrspuddleduck, I am not sure about trying to second guess anyone else's intentions , or what they meant, but it seems clear from @Pinkorchid 's earlier post that he / she does not count Newcastle diet as being relevant here in this thread. So, I have revised my thinking to :

'There is still a covert opinion by some members that the Professor Taylor et al, Newcastle University intervention diet and eating regime, is irrelevant, despite several members reports of recent success.'

Maybe I am just a bit over-sensitive today, and I do not want to see this thread degenirate into a useless scap about diets, but if we are trying to interpret hidden meanings in other peoples' posts, it could appear that the OP is suggesting too many people are having success with LCHF.

tim2000s · Jul 17, 2015

Frankly I think that arguing about diets is a fruitless exercise. If the diet works than a member should continue with it. I'd agree that there tends to be a trend towards more people focussing on the LCHF approach because that is pretty much the only way that most T2s can control their bg levels.

For T1s, it's a bit less of an issue as we do have injected insulin to cope, and many have found that different diets all work in different ways to help them achieve what they want.

Personally, I think diets are rather like religion. They all follow more or less the same dogma.

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