I know adults that smoked all their lives, and they don't have cancer.
I know kids that smoke, and they don't have cancer either.
If you're good with possibly, and need it to be a 100% certainty that someone can prove it'll apply to you, that's your roll of the dice.
Gosh, you dont do grey, do you? its all black or white.
I dont need 100% certainty. Nothing in life is 100% certain, except that we die one day. But it has helped to now be able to make an informed choice. And spurred me to find a nitrite-free alternative for when I am in funds.
Mankind islucky in that in general we can choose to be a carnivore, omnivore, or vegan. Whichever you or I choose, we both have the same 100% chance of dying. Funny that.I know adults that smoked all their lives, and they don't have cancer.
I know kids that smoke, and they don't have cancer either.
If you're good with possibly, and need it to be a 100% certainty that someone can prove it'll apply to you, that's your roll of the dice.
Mankind islucky in that in general we can choose to be a carnivore, omnivore, or vegan. Whichever you or I choose, we both have the same 100% chance of dying. Funny that.
I think we are actually moving into 6th form science class, and that is off topic. This argument can go on until the cows come home, or in this case pigs. How about we accept it as possibly and the further it is from the original animal the worse it is for you, moving through probably towards definitely? Interesting article: http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/nov/03/foodanddrinkThe answer was 'yes', but we're working it round to a 'no'
You really do have to have the last word, I see. Or, if not you won't reply.I prefer to have more influence in the areas of how and when, when I can exercise my rights to choose.
From my point of view, I have to slightly manipulate the question.
Is ham bad for me - it may well be, depending on ......... etc. etc. etc.
Is ham good for me - no, it is not.
QED
It is probably that the packaging that puts you more at risk than the ham.I am trying to LCHF and I love ham. It makes a good wrappers for food instead of bread, and is great in salads or dipped in mayo. However, my brother says ham (I buy mine from Lidl) is bad for me as its processed, and will give me cancer.
Is he right?
It is probably that the packaging that puts you more at risk than the ham.
http://naturalsociety.com/175-dangerous-chemicals-food-packaging-materials/
Unless you are eating large quantities of ham every day then I personally would not worry too much about it @serenity648
Before all the wrapping that we see today around food it was a simple task to buy ham and other foods.
The grocer wrapped it in greaseproof paper after he had sliced it and it was then wrapped in plain white paper. The same wrapping for other processed foods like bacon and sausages.
There seems to be some misunderstanding of risk assessment and probabilities.
To pick a quote from page 1:
"The report states that once an individual reaches the 510 grams (18 oz) weekly limit for red meat, every 48 grams (1.7 oz) of processed meat consumed a day increases cancer risk by 21%."
Now if you think that it means that you add 21% to the existing percentage risk then that implies that if you eat 250 gms of processed meat when over the red meat limit you are certain (in fact over 105%) to get cancer.
In reality there is a percentage increase in a small risk. These scare reports never seem to say that, for example, "your risk is 1 in 500 and could increase to 1.21 in 500" because that is an accurate way of explaining the change in risk but is not headline grabbing.
There is also comparative risk.
An absolute risk figure means nothing if it is not put into context by comparing with other risks.
For example, eating cheese wrapped in ham instead of cheese wrapped in bread may increase your cancer risk slightly, but decrease your risk due of high blood glucose and increased weight. If the benefits outweigh the risks then you have a risk assessment that supports eating ham (in the circumstances that you assessed).
"Don't eat ham, it gives you cancer" is a simplistic, misleading and unsupported statement.
Serious risk of Listeria. in Belgium they had a major problem with cheese. It's not cancer I agree, but it's not nice either, and it kills young children. I presume you are old enough not to worry on that score.Eat cheese.
Serious risk of Listeria. in Belgium they had a major problem with cheese. It's not cancer I agree, but it's not nice either, and it kills young children. I presume you are old enough not to worry on that score.
Don't touch some blue cheeses since thay have strange bacteria, and can give copper poisoning. as happened in France recently. Again, its not cancer, but it happened so risk went up to 100%. I seem to remember that the Laughing Cow had to be withdrawn for a while due to a health scare too.
Is cheese a safe alternative to Ham?
You started it! You changed the subject.Reductio ad absurdum, not impressed really.
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