I hate the expression "nothing is banned completely"

Yes, I can eat anything, maybe not a lot, maybe not every time but I make the decision.
I hate the diabetes police
http://diabetesdailypost.com/watch-out-for-the-diabetes-food-police/
Sadly, I have found that the worst culprits have diabetes themselves.
I used to blog and wrote about a long distance trail I walked complete with camping equipment (so not a light pack)
The first day was 8 and a bit miles so not too far but it took a lot of calories at the start of the trip. My aim was to keep my levels from dropping .After setting up camp we walked a mile or so more to book a restaurant, returned to camp and then back for dinner.(so days total would be over 12 miles)
I described eating a hearty meal including potatoes followed by a small slice of an opera cake. ( a French gateaux ,very rich, not very sugary and you can't eat much so slices were thin) I reduced my insulin.
That night I wrote that my overnight glucose fell from 5.9 to 4.8mmol/l. I might have been safer with even less insulin (or a few more carbs) The whole thing was ,I think a good advert for benefits of walking.

Yet the self appointed diabetes police ( another diabetic blogger) criticised and ridiculed me for eating that cake

I think it's really interesting when we are critiqued for eating cake but frowned upon for declining starchy carbs. When I first joined this site, I remember a member having the same problem as @phoenix
Ideally I would never eat anything sweet as well as starchy carbs but I'm being honest when I say I can't. I don't feel guilty when I occasionally have half a slice of cake as that keeps me she but equally it i senses me when folks have a go and tell me to eat more carbs. I wish we could all be tolerant of one another, including our well meaning friends and relatives.
To be fair, my friends and family are great but some of my well meaning colleagues drive me round the twist.

Maybe I'm just lucky. My family and work colleagues understand that there are things I will eat and things I won't. Ans none of them hassle me when I don't join in with the sweets and cakes etc.. As it is I was never a cake eater except the odd jam doughnut now and then so giving them up was no real hardship. However my weakness would have to be lardy cake, but I can be a stubborn ****** when I want to and this comes into play when I'm faced with things I know I shouldn't eat. And I'm extremely determined that the weight I've lost will not be returning. You can call me obsessive if you like, but that's how I believe I need to be.

I think that it's individual choice and knowing what you personally can or cannot eat without too many adverse effects. Yes I have T2 diabetes but it is relatively well controlled with the majority of my readings in the low to mid fives hence why I will occasionally have, for example, a piece of cake, chocolate or a dessert.

Mike D said:

My nurse shakes her head in amazement at me. I tell her what i have forever cut from the diet and she cannot believe the self control..

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I work on the principle (and expect you do too) that it's not self control but rather self preservation. Perhaps you could tell her that next time round.

Robbity

The whole 'moderation' thing is ridiculous, or perfectly reasonable, depending on the person's individual situation.

Personally, I can choose to eat a little, a moderate amount of all sorts of things.
And then my BG spikes through the roof, the carb creep starts, the cravings and the delusion that 'a little more won't hurt' starts to whisper its nonsensical siren song..

But, since I very low carb, a little does hurt. And it hurts me significantly more than if I had 150+g carbs daily.

This is because I eat so few carbs that my body doesn't need to produce much insulin on a daily basis. My BG levels are well controlled, usually. So my pancreas has got lazy, out of practice, developed enzyme lag (whatever you want to call it). Think of it as enjoying a lovely, well earned rest. It would take a few days (or weeks) to get back into the swing of things. Until that adjustment occurred, I would get disproportionately high spikes. And those spikes would be sharp, and long, and do damage to my remaining beta cells.

I'm very happy about this.
I love my steady, low, controlled BG levels, and if I eat carbs I take great care to test my BG rigorously, watching those horrible spikes unfold.
It is a fantastic motivation/reminder to get straight back into the saddle.

I don't expect 'normal' people to understand (and I usually can't be bothered to explain), but I have little patience with bullies and people who are not willing to respect my choices.

The wont harm for once,expression gets to me,even family say it at times.also hospital staff,when I was there getting a new hip.because they didnt cater for diabetics.
This wont harm for once can happen most days if we let it.

I think we just have to be thick-skinned. No thank you. If you phrase it I don't, rather than I can't, it can be easier.

They just sign up under another user name!


Sorry!

Bluetit1802 said:

I must be lucky.

I have a dinner invitation next week, and a family birthday party (adults) in a couple of weeks. Both hostesses have asked me exactly what I can/can't eat. One is preparing the meal that I suggest for everyone. The other is making me something different from the others and is insistent she wants to do this as it will be no bother to her.. Both checked with me when the invitations were made. How good is that!

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You have a great meal @Bluetit1802

Phlogiston said:

It leads people to think I can eat more than I am willing to do at the moment.
On Saturday a well meaning chap tried to persuade me gluten free cake was OK and that diabetics were allowed cake.
Yesterday people trying to get me to eat sandwiches between meals.

I am trying to mentally arrange foods into "good most of the time (in moderation)", "foods where considerable care is needed" and "foods that are pretty much toxic (to me if not others)".
Unless I cease to produce insulin and start having hypos, I can see no circumstances when Mars bars, rich cakes and sugary drinks are going anything other than harmful to my long term future.
One problem is that my T2 95 year old father in law is generally good, but a little relaxed at times. My wife refers me to him when she feels I need to relax. I'm in my mid 50's and hope that I may have to manage this condition for 20 or 30 years. I suspect that he may eat the slightly dodgy stuff when we visit for social reasons.
best wishes
Adam
(needed to rant)

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I've written on here recently about my frustration with mostly well-meaning colleagues who believe that a cake and chocolate scoffing Type 2 colleague in our office is the template for how diabetics should eat. Follow your own good advice. Do not follow other less careful diabetics over the cliff....

Jaylee said:

Yesterday at work during break in the canteen there was a table full of doughnuts with a handwritten note saying "fat Thursday. Take one!"..

Not having one? I was asked as the majority tucked in.. My reply. "Have you ever read the book Flowers in the attic?" No? " well these two kids were slowly poisoned by hiding arsenic in a doughnut treat. The boy found out when he fed some to a mouse."

"So that's why you don't trust the doughbuts?" One coleegue enquired.
No. I don't think the plan from our employer is that evil.. But they could be loaded with amphetamines to increase productivity...

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Jaylee said:

Yesterday at work during break in the canteen there was a table full of doughnuts with a handwritten note saying "fat Thursday. Take one!"..

Not having one? I was asked as the majority tucked in.. My reply. "Have you ever read the book Flowers in the attic?" No? " well these two kids were slowly poisoned by hiding arsenic in a doughnut treat. The boy found out when he fed some to a mouse."

"So that's why you don't trust the doughbuts?" One coleegue enquired.
No. I don't think the plan from our employer is that evil.. But they could be loaded with amphetamines to increase productivity...

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@Scandichic I don't believe you are a teacher, you didn't correct his spelling

CollieBoy said:

@Scandichic I don't believe you are a teacher, you didn't correct his spelling

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I have given up!