I'm getting a bit cross with Dr Trudi Deakin

Brunneria · Jan 16, 2015

Andy12345 said:
But she apparently up to now has been and I've never heard of her before now

I had heard of her Xpert courses and dismissed them as idiocy (Which was hardly fair), as the only thing I knew about them was that they encouraged a diet too carb-heavy for my particular body. They might be great in other respects.

But I doubt I will sign up for any of her courses, either new or old.
I might get the book if it is available on Kindle.

AndBreathe · Jan 16, 2015

douglas99 said:
I'd respect her if she changes the X-Pert course now, or walks away from the NHS contract and dogma of the eat well plate.

I would think she can change all she likes, but the license agreement with the NHS will be for whatever was signed off at the time of that contract.

I doubt seriously she is likely to reject all the license income she is likely to be receiving. She has delivered her part of the contract, and they're now paying the follow-on fees.

I like licensing, it's a great business model, and she is a businesswoman; just as the NHS is a business..

Brunneria · Jan 16, 2015

Lol.

She has probably released this book, and launched the promotional frenzy, in a controlled fashion, with precise timing.

Is her NHS contract ending? If so, she may be positioning for a new career move.

AndBreathe · Jan 16, 2015

Brunneria said:
Lol.

She has probably released this book, and launched the promotional frenzy, in a controlled fashion, with precise timing.

Is her NHS contract ending? If so, she may be positioning for a new career move.

Well, the NICE guidelines are out for consultation......... Although I'd be surprised if they will change too much relating to diet until further, wider research shows results, for low carb.

Bluetit1802 · Jan 16, 2015

douglas99 said:
I'd respect her if she changes the X-Pert course now, or walks away from the NHS contract and dogma of the eat well plate.

She is doing Douglas. She is currently training and talking to DN's that present the courses. Mine included. I was told by my DN about this change of heart 2 weeks ago.

nancyb · Jan 16, 2015

The reason I am cross is that I have been hoping that the LCHF diet would come to the attention of the world, but the way that she has done it with her 82% fat headline is going to confuse and mislead a lot of people. Most people do not have the benefit of the information on this site which has developed over many discussions between us. I would have preferred a more balanced announcement than this. Given her position, her advice has to be suitable and affordable for as many people as possible in this country. I think this is an attention seeking headline designed to sell her book.

Robbity · Jan 16, 2015

I think that I feel grateful that someone in "diabetic authority" has apparently seen the light and has been able to change their thinking re carbohydrates in diabetic diets. Maybe if enough others also follow her, it may help stem the current diabetes tidal wave to some extent. Which can only be a good thing, irrespective of whether she may also have other (financial?) motives for her sudden surge in publicity...

Robbity
(who is also eternally grateful that her GP mentioned Atkins in the same breath as diabetes...)

Kaz70 · Jan 16, 2015

The new book is available to order on the X-PERT website so I'm presuming this means the course will change eventually!

Bluetit1802 · Jan 16, 2015

As said before. She is already training/re-training course presenters. She has recently re-trained my own DN, who told me about it a couple of weeks ago. Presumably next time my DN leads a course she will be promoting this new diet idea.

Totto · Jan 17, 2015

nancyb said:
The reason I am cross is that I have been hoping that the LCHF diet would come to the attention of the world, but the way that she has done it with her 82% fat headline is going to confuse and mislead a lot of people. Most people do not have the benefit of the information on this site which has developed over many discussions between us. I would have preferred a more balanced announcement than this. Given her position, her advice has to be suitable and affordable for as many people as possible in this country. I think this is an attention seeking headline designed to sell her book.

I think you may have misunderstood the concept of LCHF. To have around 80E% of fat is perfectly normal when on LCHF and you need to be in that region to stay in ketosis.

I do hope her book becomes a best seller in order to save as many as possible from the terrible low fat high carb diet like the eatwell plate that causes obesity, fatty liver, inflammation and high bg. Among other things.

Scandichic · Jan 17, 2015

nancyb said:
In my humble opinion, the lack of fibre in an 80% fat diet, plus the eggs could lead to constipation, hence bowel problems.
I don't see a balance of foods of sufficient quantity to provide our daily needs of vitamins, minerals, antioxidants . .
Many people would not be able to digest a diet of 80% fat; in addition a large proportion of the world's population do not have the necessary enzymes to digest lactose.
I don't think food production at a rate of 80% fat is sustainable

Hi Nancy,
The first time I heard about lchf I was as cynical as you. My hubbie was talking about a bloke called grant Peterson (he writes a cycling blog) and I dismissed it. Then I was diagnosed as diabetic with no support from my doc. I discovered this website and a poster recommended a site called diet doctor. This site was a revolution to me and I have never looked back. It recommends this type of diet. Have a look at my stats.
I used to have issues with the loo but on this diet I have no probs whatsoever. I also used to get really bad reflux. Completely gone! You get your carbs through your veggies you see and that's enough! My advice to you is to read www.dietdoctor.com and give it a go. You might just be surprised!

nancyb · Jan 17, 2015

Scandichic said:
Hi Nancy,
The first time I heard about lchf I was as cynical as you. My hubbie was talking about a bloke called grant Peterson (he writes a cycling blog) and I dismissed it. Then I was diagnosed as diabetic with no support from my doc. I discovered this website and a poster recommended a site called diet doctor. This site was a revolution to me and I have never looked back. It recommends this type of diet. Have a look at my stats.
I used to have issues with the loo but on this diet I have no probs whatsoever. I also used to get really bad reflux. Completely gone! You get your carbs through your veggies you see and that's enough! My advice to you is to read www.dietdoctor.com and give it a go. You might just be surprised!

Oh dear, you have completely misunderstood me. I am an advocate of LCHF and I am successfully losing weight and controlling my blood glucose on this diet. Sorry for the confusion.

caliban · Jan 17, 2015

nancyb said:
Re Dr Deakin's article in the Daily Mail http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2911642/My-diet-82-FAT

Dr Deakin, advisor to NHS trainers, now seems to be advocating a diet which is 80% fat.

Here is Trudi Deakin's typical daily menu:
BREAKFAST: Three eggs cooked in the microwave with butter and cheese, like a souffle, served with oily fish - smoked salmon or mackerel - or avocado.

LUNCH:A bowl of berries with double cream or a homemade walnut scone, made with ground almonds rather than flour, served with double cream

DINNER: Meat or fish with a serving of vegetables cooked in butter

QUESTION 1: Would three eggs not bung you up? Is 3 eggs plus some fish really necessary for breakfast? 1 egg and a bit of bacon and mushrooms is enough for me
QUESTION 2: Is a bowl of berries and cream a suitable or practical lunch for most people?
QUESTION 3: Is she advocating no carbs rather than low carbs? In my opinion, even us diabetics need some carbs in our diet
QUESTION 4: Would you get plentiful and varied nutrients from a diet that is 80% fat?

Remember, this woman runs training courses for the NHS. She has been advocating high carb low fat diets for years. Now she has seen the light but is swinging too far to the other extreme. Are we going to see diabetes and obesity replaced by colorectal cancer and malnutrition?

If you're eating 80% fat in your diet you ain't going to be bunged up thats for sure. Google" fatfast" for a book and it's author.

Scandichic · Jan 17, 2015

nancyb said:
Oh dear, you have completely misunderstood me. I am an advocate of LCHF and I am successfully losing weight and controlling my blood glucose on this diet. Sorry for the confusion.

After I had posted i then read the rest of the thread!
It was your questions which threw me! Have to admit though, her menu for the day is similar to mine! As I type this, hubbie is making scrambled eggs with double cream with fried bacon bits. Yum!

Totto · Jan 17, 2015

nancyb said:
Oh dear, you have completely misunderstood me. I am an advocate of LCHF and I am successfully losing weight and controlling my blood glucose on this diet. Sorry for the confusion.

So if you do lchf why do have a problem with the for LCHF completely normal 80E% fat?

Scandichic · Jan 17, 2015

caliban said:
If you're eating 80% fat in your diet you ain't going to be bunged up thats for sure. Google" fatfast" for a book and it's author.

Agreed and speaking from personal experience!
My body loves this diet and when I stick to it everything functions as it should. My bs is constantly in the 5s and my energy levels are great! As for my trigs - 0.51!

AnnieC · Jan 17, 2015

dannyw said:
Can none of you see that it is just an example of a meal. That doesn't mean she has it every day, nor does it mean she is telling others to eat 3 eggs and fish fo rbreakfast. We all eat a varied diet. If I told you what I had for breakfast today, does that mean I have it every day and that I am promoting it to others ? Of course not.

I don't think we thought she personally was having that every day it was just an example of a days menu on her revised thinking about diet

AnnieC · Jan 17, 2015

Totto said:
So if you do lchf why do have a problem with the for LCHF completely normal 80E% fat?

I think the point of the OP's post was that 80% fat a day could be to much for some people even some of those doing LCHF not everyone would be able to tolerate that amount of fat every day

Pipp · Jan 17, 2015

AnnieC said:
I think the point of the OP's post was that 80% fat a day could be to much for some people even some of those doing LCHF not everyone would be able to tolerate that amount of fat every day

I certainly couldn't.

Totto · Jan 17, 2015

AnnieC said:
I think the point of the OP's post was that 80% fat a day could be to much for some people even some of those doing LCHF not everyone would be able to tolerate that amount of fat every day

While many of us are unable to tolerate anything else if we want to control our diabetes.

LCHF means low carb high fat and is a ketogenic diet. Nobody is forcing anybody to do this but if you want to achieve ketosis LCHF is a very good way. What is confusing is that OP claims she is on LCHF while questioning the 80E% fat content.

I'm getting a bit cross with Dr Trudi Deakin

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