Cool that you are a vegetarian, I try too convince people that you can lose weight and better your diabetes on a vegetarian diet as well as lowcarb. Lowcarb is kind of my first love, since I lost so much weight on it, my father as well, but now I can also easily control my weight on a vegetarian diet.
I think people should be able to get rid of their diabetes even if they are vegetarians lol, not just us meatlovers.
Ah, Mr Rumsfeld, good to meet you!
I think that's the fundamental take away from all of these things. Where a diet promotes eating natural, whole foods in moderation, and exercise is encouraged, the symptoms or conditions recede significantly (where this is possible).
Sadly not. It was the phone autocorrecting.Yes, I've read intensively about various traditional diets, diets that aren't necessarily traditional but they don't result in metabolic disaster, and they all have certain things in common: intake moderation, occasional fasting, and absent the massive ingestion of carb/fat combinations.
By the way, do you realize you wrote "insulin existence" in your OP? Was that a Freudian typo? Mr. Rumsfeldwants to know!
Sadly not. It was the phone autocorrecting.
Will read more closely next time!I'm not a vegetarian. I wrote, "For the record, I am not a vegan, a vegetarian, or an adherent of any particular diet regimen."
Will read more closely next time!
+ 3. ZincNo worries. I've toyed w/the idea of being a vegetarian many times but I keep coming back to two things:
1. B12
2. I love meat.
The key message from the initial set of links is that whole foods are the way to consume carbs. Unfortunately, breads and pasta are massively refined, and to a certain extent, so is brown rice.Prior to diagnosis I ate a lot of whole grain/brown carbs - good quality artisan breads, brown rice and pasta, whole oats, lentils and pulses. It seems that didn't work FOR ME - as I was gaining weight and losing health. I also always walk for at least an hour and usually two every day and have for most of my life, as i have dogs that need a fair bit of exercise. Despite regular exercise and a fairly good diet (I also ate **** like biscuits, and many an Indian take away) I was getting fatter and fatter and losing energy..
+ 3. Zinc
I'm fascinated by this thread, because since being diagnosed prediabetic I've been following LCHF with good results - ie, good BG readings, weight loss, reduction/disappearance of symptoms and increased energy.
However, I had, prior to diagnosis ((6 months ago) been easing my way into a vegan-ish diet - I had excluded most dairy and intended to continue with that, and to eat only ethically sourced and/or wild caught meat (and fish) - so more of a Megan!
Prior to diagnosis I ate a lot of whole grain/brown carbs - good quality artisan breads, brown rice and pasta, whole oats, lentils and pulses. It seems that didn't work FOR ME - as I was gaining weight and losing health. I also always walk for at least an hour and usually two every day and have for most of my life, as i have dogs that need a fair bit of exercise. Despite regular exercise and a fairly good diet (I also ate **** like biscuits, and many an Indian take away) I was getting fatter and fatter and losing energy...
I'm a bit daunted by all the science, so am going on my experience. LCHF is working for me (in the short term anyway) but it isn't consistent with my values and I will, when I feel my BG numbers are rock solid, experiment with reducing dairy and meat and adding rice and lentils back into my diet...
The most serious nutritional deficiencies are: EPA/DHA omega-3, vitamin D, B12, calcium, magnesium, iron, and iodine. What causes insulin resistance is high glycemic carbohydrates, not meat. Meat lowers blood sugar and insulin, decreasing insulin resistance. It causes an insulin spike, but if no carbs, lowers blood sugar. My doctor had me eat animal protein every 2 hours for 2 months, my HbA1C went down 2%. No drug can do that.
I agree with you Tim that you find all the same arguments from the vegan community as to why their diet is best for diabetes as you do from the HCLF community on here. (
On both sides you see a demonization of one nutrient or another and people become very entrenched . (just look at the replies on DD, I sigh every time I see Ancel Keys mentioned , the internet echo chamber has a lot to answer for)
People tend to read things that reaffirm their own views .
Just look at these two accounts of a recent study
The first notes that the diet wasn't really low carb so just think what a real low carb diet would do.
http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2014/09/the-low-carb-vs-low-fat-study/
The second says that at 30% it was far from a low fat diet and not very different to a SAD one. A diet of 8-12% fat is the one that has the benefits.
http://nutritionstudies.org/low-carb-hot-air/
The one systematic review that BSC doesn't mention is here http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/97/3/505.full
(basically, the evidence not brilliant, full of confounders and several diets have similar effects; there was not enough evidence from vegan diet) The problem I see with any randomised controlled trial is that people don't stick to the diets that they are allocated so long term trials end up with people eating much the same thing (and often not that different to where they started)
Elsewhere there have been two other papers recently that try to assess what healthy diets have in common.
Theres an account of the Katz one here .He concludes that the best diets are ' minimally processed foods close to nature, predominantly plants'(it's now gone behind a paywall which is a pity, the Hu one on diabetes diets is also not free access )
Both of them seem to tend towards moderation, more plant than animal, not too much of anything and very few refined foods.
Katz is actually trying to set up some sort of coalition of people from all corners of the dietary spectrum to look for that consensus about evidenced based, healthy diet patterns to avoid (treat?) disease including T2. I'm not clear where he hopes to go with it though
He has got on board a very large group of 'luminaries' people and people with media influence, including some very well known academic researchers , people who promote diets from paleo to GI to vegan and some people more controversial (Deeprak Chopra and Mehemet Oz for example)
I don't think that I recognise anyone from the LCHF wing though . It may be that they have been asked and refused but it may also be that the methods of asking are a bit, lets say odd, or maybe I'm old fashioned but I think that such requests aren't best put on blogs or Twitter ( eg put a page search for Glimmer on this page from Peter Attia's blog http://eatingacademy.com/cholesterol-2/random-finding-plus-pi )
https://www.facebook.com/drgarth/posts/836029126417997?hc_location=ufi
https://www.facebook.com/drgarth/posts/942670975753811
These are both posts from Dr Garth Davis, a proponent of the vegetarian or vegan whole food diet as a way to reduce insulin existence. Thought they might prove interesting as an alternative to the LC approach that many on here take.
The first has a long list of papers that I haven't had a chance to read, but @phoenix may have.
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