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The title of the video makes that claim in pure daylight/ This conversation is going nowhere. You are assigning statements to my OP that are not there. Nowhere in the OP does it mention cure.
The vegan society is also claiming reversal for the diet in their website but their official science expert turns out to be Michael Greger. I must point out that although technically he can call hiself a doctor, it is an academic title that is not associated with a medical degree. My son is now a Doctor by the same token, but he is a physisist not physician.
I asked if the diet was effective, and this can mean many things like reversal, remission, or just controlled bgl with subsequent reductions in medication. I expected posters to post their results and success testimonials in support of the diet. [or not]. So far we have had zero responses from proponents. My trawl through the subthread of testamonials on this site has also drawn a blank. But conversly there are multiple responses supporting Low Carb and Very Low Calorie diets, complete with associated scientific studies in support where reversal has been recorded under both anecdotal personal experiences (as I have done) but also by NHS accepted trials in GP practices.
one can’t Eat only plant-based and do the same...is that what you are saying
The reference diet is the ADA food pyramid/I'm saying that looking at Barnards own results a plant only diet doesn't seem a very effective therapy for T2.
The reference diet is the ADA food pyramid/
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Greger has never practised so far as I am aware apart from the training necessary to get his title.. he has been a teacher for almost his entire career.. he has no patients. .. the above from his Wikipedia entry
Sez who? He is licenced to practice, but that is not the same as having a practice.Incorrect. He may not be accepting patients now, but he most definitely worked in a clinical setting as a physician for many years.
Sez who? He is licenced to practice, but that is not the same as having a practice.
You are correct. He may be your guru, but he is not mine. I do not agree with the science he is using, and it is not backed up by any independant analysis that I can find, I can however, find evidence that totally disagree with his views, and which is peer reviewed and archived. No one has posted in this thread with anything that changes my opinion, and my personal experiences with that diet has also not moved me to consider using it - the very opposite in fact. Until someone has some decent evidence to present here, I have no further interest in pursuing this discussion any further.Read one of his books, go to one of his lectures. He had patients. He was a practicing physician. “Many of them” per, you know, HIM. But you said he wasn’t an M.D., so clearly learning about him = not so much.
Barnard yes Greger no. Is that what you mean? Are you getting your vegan docs muddled?Incorrect. He may not be accepting patients now, but he most definitely worked in a clinical setting as a physician for many years.
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