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Jardiance or Forxiga

maggiemay37

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Type of diabetes
Type 1
Hi

I was wondering in anyone has taken Jardiance or Forxiga for type 2 diabetes. My partner was prescribed Jardiance 10mg once a day but it because it send sugars straight to your kidneys he is needing to visit the bathroom an awful lot more. His consultant then changed him to Forxiga but that does the same thing and has the same effects so we are both having lots of interrupted sleep at the moment.

I was just wondering if anyone has tried these and how they got on with them? Does the constant thirst and need to urinate get any better? He basically has the same symptoms now as he did when he was first diagnosed with diabetes almost 2 years ago.

His blood sugars are up and down between 6.5 and 8.9 most days. Last night they went up to 18.2 because he didn't take the tablet for 2 days. so he definately needs to be taking medication. Due to other medical issues he can't take metformin or methotrexate.

Any comments/suggestions would be most welcome.

Many thanks in advance.

Mags
 
I take forxiga and have taken it for almost 2 years now. Because it flushes excess sugar out through the kidneys one of the side effects is UTI's and thrush. I have found that a lower carb diet helps prevent these side effects and also with less sugar to get rid of there is less frequent urination. Pills alone will not control type 2 diabetes. Changes in diet are necessary and the only way to know exactly how many carbs you can tolerate is to eat to your meter. I will tag @daisy1 who will send info on how to do that and a lot of other good info about managing type 2 diabetes. Good luck.
 
@maggiemay37

Hello Mags and welcome to the Forum Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 250,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
Read and consider "SGLT2 inhibitors: updated advice on the risk of diabetic ketoacidosis", knowing the risks will most likely protect you from them.

Think of Jardiance or Forxiga as a tool to help break the cycle of "insulin resistance", the cycle can only be broken with "low carb" and/or "intermittent fasting", but drugs can make it easier to do and protect your body in the short term until you get your BG under control.
 

Have your tried using dip sticks to check how much sugar Forxiga is flushing out and seeing if it relates to what you have eaten in the preceding 24hrs? This may allow you to adjust your diet so you no longer need Forxiga. Just eating to your meter may not tell you the meals your body is finding hard to cope with as the BG may look OK due to Forxiga .

Clearly the first step is to "eat to your meter" so as to get avoid the food/drinks our bodies most hate.
 
I eat less than 20 and often less than 10 grams of carb per day all in veg and have for years. I am well aware of what I can eat and am also dealing with coeliac on top of the diabetes. I have had diabetes and multiple autoimmune issues for many years. Not everyone can manage without drugs no matter how good their diet and there are many factors involved. We are all different.
 
I was on Forxiga for a while, but had to come off it due to recurrent UTI's.
However, it's true that the more sugar put into the body will result in more nighttime wees. I found that to curb the nighttime weeing, I had to eat my last meal before 7pm and make it very low carb. Anything with carbs would just keep me up all night.
 

A tablet to enforce low carb, I like the sound of that......
 
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