LCHF diet to help you lose weight, not diabetes

Mandingo · Oct 17, 2014

graj0 said:
When you have followed what the good doctors tell you and you watch your diabetic control just get worse and worse, the discovery of simply lowering carbs is something of a eureka moment that you want to shout from the highest roof. I had wanted to cut my carbs since diagnosis in 1997 but religiously followed my doctor's advice although I didn't go as far as following the dieticians advice to increase my carb intake by eating more potato and buying thicker sliced bread. I wasted 16 years of my life following what my doctor told me to do, how stupid was I? If people don't want to listen and prefer to do what their doctors tell them, that's absolutely fine. I wasn't happy increasing my medication all the time and I have seen three relatives struggle to gain good control of their BG once on insulin (that's not to say everyone has that problem, my relatives all eat carbs like they're going out of fashion because they're told they can adjust their meds), I have found a solution to MY problem and I'm happy with that.

Diagnosed about three months.
Did not need to loose any great amount of weight.
Found this forum read and read and read.
Decided to Eat to my meter.........

Carbohydrates control are the key to my BG control.
Keeping away from: Rice, Bread, Pasta, Oats, Potato and regular testing greatly helps with effective managing of this condition.

My late father was Type 1. The last 10 years of his life was not good, complications ect.

I DO NOT WANT TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD.

Reduced/Low carbohydrate is definitely the way forward.

Avocado Sevenfold · Oct 17, 2014

Hiya @AndBreathe I think that there is a place for early doors fat adjustment. A spoonful of coconut oil here and a blob of butter on your veg there in the early days can help to control hunger and carb cravings. It's depressing enough being newly diagnosed without the misery of hunger pangs too

jack412 · Oct 17, 2014

the quickest way to get someone to give up low carbing..is to get them hungry or craving...both are a sure fire way...not good for diabetics to have high protein, so that leaves high fat

let us not forget that ADA have shifted their position
American diabetic association ( http://www.professional.diabetes.org/)
http://www.professional.diabetes.or...=DP&s_src=vanity&s_subsrc=nutritionguidelines

Evidence is inconclusive for an ideal amount of total fat intake for people with diabetes;
therefore, goals should be individualized; fat quality appears to be far more important
than quantity.

In people with type 2 diabetes, a Mediterranean-style, MUFA-rich eating pattern may benefit
glycemic control and CVD risk factors and can therefore be recommended as an effective
alternative to a lower-fat, higher-carbohydrate eating pattern.

Mandingo · Oct 17, 2014

Misteraa said:
Here's a post I did that sums up how I dealt with my diagnosis.

My hero.......

Brunneria · Oct 17, 2014

Avocado Sevenfold said:
Hiya @AndBreathe I think that there is a place for early doors fat adjustment. A spoonful of coconut oil here and a blob of butter on your veg there in the early days can help to control hunger and carb cravings. It's depressing enough being newly diagnosed without the misery of hunger pangs too

Yup.

izzzi · Oct 17, 2014

Avocado Sevenfold said:
I am struggling to get my head around the oxymoron "lean fats"

Oops. I was getting into the (ideal fat-lean ratio) sorry.

alliebee · Oct 17, 2014

I'm sure this has been said before but I'm still a newbie...why not call it LCEF. Low carb enough fat...because I guess that's what most of us do

AndBreathe · Oct 17, 2014

jack412 said:
the quickest way to get someone to give up low carbing..is to get them hungry or craving...both are a sure fire way...not good for diabetics to have high protein, so that leaves high fat

let us not forget that ADA have shifted their position
American diabetic association ( http://www.professional.diabetes.org/)
http://www.professional.diabetes.org/admin/UserFiles/0 - Sean/dc132042 FINAL.pdf?utm_source=Offline&utm_medium=Print&utm_content=nutritionguidelines&utm_campaign=DP&s_src=vanity&s_subsrc=nutritionguidelines

Evidence is inconclusive for an ideal amount of total fat intake for people with diabetes;
therefore, goals should be individualized; fat quality appears to be far more important
than quantity.

In people with type 2 diabetes, a Mediterranean-style, MUFA-rich eating pattern may benefit
glycemic control and CVD risk factors and can therefore be recommended as an effective
alternative to a lower-fat, higher-carbohydrate eating pattern.

Not everyone goes hungry (I filled up on veg and salad) or has cravings. I must have been lucky.

AndBreathe · Oct 17, 2014

alliebee said:
I'm sure this has been said before but I'm still a newbie...why not call it LCEF. Low carb enough fat...because I guess that's what most of us do

I like L-CAF myself - Low carb, adjusted fat

jack412 · Oct 17, 2014

I wasn't clear enough, I wasn't talking fullness, because you can eat sawdust and be full. I meant hunger as in too calorie deficient, where your metabolism slows and you feel cold and tired.
Re carb craving, it's strange how some people get carb cravings and some don't, it's a hard week giving up carbs if you get it

AndBreathe · Oct 17, 2014

jack412 said:
I wasn't clear enough, I wasn't talking fullness, because you can eat sawdust and be full. I meant hunger as in too calorie deficient, where your metabolism slows and you feel cold and tired.
Re carb craving, it's strange how some people get carb cravings and some don't, it's a hard week giving up carbs if you get it

Again, we're talking about balance and personal thresholds here, because in counter-balance, there are those who adjust the fat, in the belief they can be completely unlimited, to the extent they don't lose any weight.

Because of these personal thresholds, I think we're wasting our time trying to fine tune these things.

And I am partly playing devil's advocate here.

douglas99 · Oct 17, 2014

Wonder how the Newcastle Diet works?
It's regularly stated on here no one will lose weight if they go into starvation mode.
I was on 800 to 1200 calories, so I must have been in starvation mode to, so I shouldn't have either.

Chris P Bacon · Oct 17, 2014

Hello, My personal experience is that the low fat diet promotion is everywhere, who hasn't been told to eat low fat? If low fat eating was going to work for a person, it would surely have already worked? When I came here, I knew very little about any diet apart from low fat,

lowering carbohydrates was the revelation, I wouldn't need this forum for advice on a low fat, low calorie diet, I would go to weight watchers, reading here has been the only place I've read about LCHF and for me personally, that has been the magical part of the forum.

The high fat part has not frightened me, it was hard to accept but faced with the thought of never eating roast potatoes again, being allowed real butter, eggs, bacon, etc etc makes it seem not so bad, it may have been a much harder pill to swallow, had I read about the need to cut out the carbohydrates without being allowed extra fat, and all those delicious high fat foods

I mean no disrespect to anyone

zand · Oct 17, 2014

douglas99 said:
Wonder how the Newcastle Diet works?
It's regularly stated on here no one will lose weight if they go into starvation mode.
I was on 800 to 1200 calories, so I must have been in starvation mode to, so I shouldn't have either.

You lose weight for a while when you eat a very low calorie diet, but then your body adjusts and the metabolism slows down so that it's harder to lose weight. This is starvation mode; the slowing of the metabolism and the inability to burn as many calories as before. I believe it is much more common in women than men (that's just my point of view).

I looked into the Newcastle diet recently but at around 75-80g carbs for 800 calories I chose not to do it. My BG's would suffer consuming that many carbs for 8 weeks, and my metabolism would have slowed down yet again.

douglas99 · Oct 17, 2014

Chris P Bacon said:
Hello, My personal experience is that the low fat diet promotion is everywhere, who hasn't been told to eat low fat? If low fat eating was going to work for a person, it would surely have already worked? When I came here, I knew very little about any diet apart from low fat,

lowering carbohydrates was the revelation, I wouldn't need this forum for advice on a low fat, low calorie diet, I would go to weight watchers, reading here has been the only place I've read about LCHF and for me personally, that has been the magical part of the forum.

The high fat part has not frightened me, it was hard to accept but faced with the thought of never eating roast potatoes again, being allowed real butter, eggs, bacon, etc etc makes it seem not so bad, it may have been a much harder pill to swallow, had I read about the need to cut out the carbohydrates without being allowed extra fat, and all those delicious high fat foods

I mean no disrespect to anyone

I don't think anyone has ever posted they were frightened to eat fat, and it was only fear stopping them.

douglas99 · Oct 17, 2014

zand said:
You lose weight for a while when you eat a very low calorie diet, but then your body adjusts and the metabolism slows down so that it's harder to lose weight. This is starvation mode; the slowing of the metabolism and the inability to burn as many calories as before. I believe it is much more common in women than men (that's just my point of view).

I looked into the Newcastle diet recently but at around 75-80g carbs for 800 calories I chose not to do it. My BG's would suffer consuming that many carbs for 8 weeks, and my metabolism would have slowed down yet again.

That's odd, as I have understood 75g of carbs a day would be classed as low carb by many.

Chris P Bacon · Oct 17, 2014

I am sorry, I thought you were discussing not using the term high fat because it could frighten off someone new.

The word frighten was my words no one else had said it, my mistake, sorry

douglas99 · Oct 17, 2014

Chris P Bacon said:
I am sorry, I thought you were discussing not using the term high fat because it could frighten off someone new.

The word frighten was my words no one else had said it, my mistake, sorry

If just seems to be a common word, people who don't eat fat have a 'fear' of it, which seems an odd phrase.
Again though, why the belief it would frighten people?

I don't eat it, I don't like it, I don't need the empty calories. I can't really say it's scary.

zand · Oct 17, 2014

douglas99 said:
That's odd, as I have understood 75g of carbs a day would be classed as low carb by many.

Yes it would! That's my point! As many of you are always saying 'we are all different' and we adjust LCHF or LCEF or RCIF or whatever else you want to call it to suit ourselves and our bodies.

Chris P Bacon · Oct 17, 2014

I should not have involved myself in your discussion, I was suggesting it may not frighten someone new, I wasn't afraid of the concept is what I meant, never meant to suggest the opposite.

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