LCHF or LCFF?!!

That's the way to go!

That's the best way

Good plan. There really is no need to shovel cream and butter and coconut oil down by the tonne. Just replace low fat mayo with full fat, have full fat milk if you like it, keep the skin on your roast chicken. It's about finding what works for you.

BeeGee said:

I had become a bit side tracked by the idea of "needing" to eat lots of fats while lowering my carbs.
As I had my gall bladder removed I'm slightly wary of eating too much fat and this had really put me off doing the LFHC eating programme.

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When I started looking at low carb it did seem that high fat went hand in hand. The only thing I was trying to do was have less need for drugs that made my pancreas produce more insulin (the fat storing hormone) so low carb was a no brainer but I never saw the point in deliberately increasing the amount of fat I was eating. Also, I didn't want to potentially increase the amount of calories I was consuming and after years of low fat my stomach wouldn't have been happy any way.
The gallbladder is a small, pear-shaped pouch in the upper right part of the abdomen (you knew that). It stores bile, the digestive fluid produced by the liver that helps to break down fatty foods, so I can only think that avoiding too much fatty food is the best option if there is no gall bladder.
It's the low carb that's important.

I agree, BeeGee, this is a much better way to look at it! I have no gall bladder either and was a teen in the 80's, so had the low-fat diet positively etched into my brain for the past 30 years. Thanks for a new perspective!

I never increased my fats .. But I did in a way as I changed all my low fat foods for normal fat ones .. I have lost 5st since January .. Without trying to loose the weight .. Just eating to my meter

It's about enough fat to replace the carbs - as fat is highly calorific you don't actually need that much of it as a substitute, especially if you have weight to lose as most of us type 2s have at diagnosis. I think we have to be vary careful with the high fat unlimited foods message as a fat person who overrate carbs will put on even more weight eating a bucketload of nuts and cheese - I think of it as a two pronged approach. Stick to about 1200 cals a day with a bigger percentage of the total coming from fat and protein than carbs.

Hi Bee Gee I finally ditched low fat alternatives in favour of full fat versions such as butter, whole milk and full fat yoghurts (Yeo Valley Greek Syle are really creamy) in August and have lost 8kg since then. It's not as impressive as some but considering I was told by a consultant that, because of my metabolism I would have great difficulty losing weight, my DN and me are quite happy particularly as it is slowly but surelycoming off. I don't stick rigidly to Low Carb as I seem to be luckier than some in that I can tolerate potatoes, bread and, at a push, pasta - have not tried rice though!

BeeGee said:

Glad it strikes a chord with someone, Fallgal.
All I need now is for you to tell me how to get just 2 more trophy points!
Take care,
Bee Gee

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I don't know about the trophy points. I had to check my profile to see if I had any. Hopefully someone else can answer this!

Click on the number of trophy points you have and there's a table explaining them

I always had reservations about the name LCHF diet. Here is why.

My family has a high proportion of older members who have strange attitudes when it comes to taking advice. A couple of them go to the doctor’s and get their prescription and then announce, “I’m not taking that muck”. A few more take the attitude that if one pill does them good then taking 10 is better.

One lad at my place of work heard that excessive salt was bad and so his wife cut all salt from his diet and he started to pass out occasionally. I have answered questions on this site on the same subject and when I looked it up I learned that salt is essential and about 6g a day is the recommendation.

While trying to do themselves some good people sometimes go to extremes. So what about the LCHF diet?

I think the LC bit of it is OK in principle but I would like a show of hands from people who have tried to go NC, I bet there are some. My opinion is that you should just take the Healthy Eating Plate out to the dustbin where it belongs. The first thing about low carb should be to avoid the high doses of refined carbs which I, as a type 2, can no longer handle. A bit of care with any other carbs is necessary since I am now a diabetic.

What about HF. I can see the danger here and it probably puts Newbies off. It sounds like eating lots of saturated fat is compulsory and that is repulsive. I view it as not following the Low Fat fad. You must have seen it in the supermarket where things don’t seem to sell unless they have Low/No Fat on the label. Eat butter and drink full fat milk if you like them. There is no need to cut the fat off meat and throw the lean away.

Another issue with the name cropped up in a video that someone posted. The interviewee said he had followed a LCHF diet and then his wife told him, “But honey you are following the Atkins diet”. The LCHF diet was therefore hijacked by a man who then proceeded to recommend web sites, books and authors.

I prefer the LCFF name over the LCHF one but there must be a better one somewhere. I just can’t think of one that can’t be hijacked or taken to extremes.

It's great to see a discussion about "high fat" - I must admit I was concerned that someone might think they could eat as much fat as they liked with no consequences. Extremes are usually a bad idea, I don't think we can eat "plenty" of anything.
I also think "no-carbs is a bad idea. I make sure I eat some carbohydrate, just a lot less than before. There are a lot of health risks associated with an Atkins style diet.
Well done BeeGee for starting this thread.

Whatever diet anyone follows , may it work for you and your health in 2015 ....best wishes kat

Kat100 said:

Whatever diet anyone follows , may it work for you and your health in 2015 ....best wishes kat

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Hi blue tit hope you had a great Christmas and have a lovely new year ...kat x