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You haven't really said what you used to eat. No judging. Just a way to see HOW different you're eating now.

Did you used to eat gluten an dsis you give it up?

Are you eating enough? Enough fat?
 
4 crumpets, r even 1 would slow me right down and make me feel like I am dragging myself around. When you say you are low carbing, can you tell us what you mean and how you are counting and identifying the carbs?
 
serenity648 said:
4 crumpets, r even 1 would slow me right down and make me feel like I am dragging myself around. When you say you are low carbing, can you tell us what you mean and how you are counting and identifying the carbs?
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The porridge with all bran too. ALL starches make me sleepy and achy.

Try a big spoonful of peanut butter instead. Just on a spoon. I bet with those carbs,, then low carbs your bs is yo yoing. The yo yo makes us all feel like rubbish.
 
LoSalt is 2/3 potassium chloride and not recommended if you have any kidney problems.
 
With respect, I do find the continual "all and any amount of carbs is bad" thing a tad frustrating. I can eat some carbs, the OP may well be able to eat a certain amount of carbs. Demonising all carbs from the get-go to posters who are at the exploratory stage of this can be off putting and make it all seem too hard, and then they give up or decide we are extremists and not come back

Isnt it more helpful to stick to what is put in @daisy1 's post and take the gentle approach until the newbie has found their feet and personal food reactions?
 
serenity648 said:
With respect, I do find the continual "all and any amount of carbs is bad" thing a tad frustrating. I can eat some carbs, the OP may well be able to eat a certain amount of carbs.
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True but 4 crumpets is a lot of carbs for anyone let alone someone trying to follow a low carb diet.
 
Mr_Pot said:
True but 4 crumpets is a lot of carbs for anyone let alone someone trying to follow a low carb diet.
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I know it is, but I was going for a swim in 2 hours. thus from what I've read on here, negating the effects of eating so many carbs.
 
Eating that amount of carbs, 4 crumpets seriously?, you'll never get out of carb addiction and get the benefits of the low carb way of eating. Stodge of any kind is not good for you. Porridge too not recommended.
If I was in your shoes I'd try and cut out all carbs and up my fat intake to get into ketosis from there you can try to re introduce carbs if you really feel the need. Hopefully you'll be over them by then and won't want to.
 
It will still spike your insulin. That is just as important to lower as blood sugar.
I'm sorry that's not what you want to hear but when you venture into a low carb diet there as a two to three week initial phase that you are not to eat carbs above a threshold. Your body won't change to a fat burning machine when you dump carbs in. The body will always turn to carbs as fuel first. It needs a few good solid weeks of low carb with no cheats to make the adjustment. Now it's just floundering. When you feed it carbs too early and it hasn't changed to fat for fuel it will be starving for carbs and you'll feel like junk until you give it to it and you'll never use fat for fuel.
 
But for someone who is new to the game then cutting out all carbs will get them the fastest results. If they then want to experiment with re-introducing some then fine.. although I wouldn't recommend it.
 
frankbegbie said:
I know it is, but I was going for a swim in 2 hours. thus from what I've read on here, negating the effects of eating so many carbs.
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I think you may have misunderstood. It doesn't NEGATE the carbs it just burns them. Of course if it's burning carbs it's not going to burn fat. Dietary or body fat.
 
frankbegbie said:
I know it is, but I was going for a swim in 2 hours. thus from what I've read on here, negating the effects of eating so many carbs.
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Rather than try to negate the effects but not eating the carbs in the first place you'll get the benefit of not raising your insulin so your swim will have an even better impact. I think you are looking at this the wrong way. You are thinking that exercise "allows" you to eat things you should really avoid which I don't think is a good way to do it. As always your diabetes your choice but if you're asking for advice I wouldn't do what you are or look at it in that way.
 
@James1968

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BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

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On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

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The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
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  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
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Yeah, I'll be returning to a low carb diet now.
They made no impovement to my energy levels anyway.
 
frankbegbie said:
Yeah, I'll be returning to a low carb diet now.
They made no impovement to my energy levels anyway.
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There are quite a few athletes and sports people following a ketogenic diet I somehow don't think they would do it if they couldn't perform. The Aussie cricket team doctor spoke at the PHC conference in Manchester this year and they pretty much all low carb.
 
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