Type 2 Low Carb Diet Effect On Not So High Bg

nsh2111 · Aug 7, 2018

I am back here with another question which I want to discuss and get people opinions.

My blood sugar was 51 when diagnosed and been at 46,44 and back to 50.no medicine ever.

I have started low carb and high fat to lower it again. What I have found after 4 months of eating like this is that my blood sugar still have not come to lower level. I still wake up with 6- 6.5 with occasional 7+.

Through out day I stay from 6.2 - 8 depending upon what I eat.

I have lost 4 kgs and now at BMI of 20.5.

My query is whether lchf works better for people with lot of weight to shift and return are diminishing at one gets near to ideal BMI weight?

I like eat all the fat but I like to introduce good carbs at some point to gain somes muscles and weight hence the question.

Thanks for reading.

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xfieldok · Aug 7, 2018

Can you tell us what you ate yesterday please?

Guzzler · Aug 7, 2018

Carbs will add to your weight but carbs do not build muscle. Protein and excercise builds muscle which will then add to your weight.
Remember that fasting numbers are often the last to show improvement. Can you clarify what you mean by 'good carbs', please?

rab5 · Aug 7, 2018

Good carbs?

nsh2111 · Aug 7, 2018

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xfieldok said:
Can you tell us what you ate yesterday please?

I had 3 boiled eggs with some spinach and coffee with cream in morning. Lunch was chicken salad with avocado and dinner was salmon with asparagus and cream cheese.in between I had nuts another coffee with cream and a peanut butter and coconut oil fat bomb with some strawberries.

Guzzler said:
Carbs will add to your weight but carbs do not build muscle. Protein and excercise builds muscle which will then add to your weight.
Remember that fasting numbers are often the last to show improvement. Can you clarify what you mean by 'good carbs', please?

Well when I say good, I only meant complex carbs with low GI. E.g. whole wheat flour, some root vegetables like sweet potato, lentils and kidney beans and brown rice.

I may be wrong in thinking these are good carbs as they gave me type 2 in first place .

I have never had big muscle and frame ,may be I am one of those kinds who can't build muscles . I had round belly , which is gone now. Waist came down from 34 to 31. But I don't see those massive drops in blood sugar which is normally associated with lchf (as per various Google results and emails from forums)

Terrytiddy · Aug 7, 2018

nsh2111 said:
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I had 3 boiled eggs with some spinach and coffee with cream in morning. Lunch was chicken salad with avocado and dinner was salmon with asparagus and cream cheese.in between I had nuts another coffee with cream and a peanut butter and coconut oil fat bomb with some strawberries.

Well when I say good, I only meant complex carbs with low GI. E.g. whole wheat flour, some root vegetables like sweet potato, lentils and kidney beans and brown rice.

I may be wrong in thinking these are good carbs as they gave me type 2 in first place .

I have never had big muscle and frame ,may be I am one of those kinds who can't build muscles . I had round belly , which is gone now. Waist came down from 34 to 31. But I don't see those massive drops in blood sugar which is normally associated with lchf (as per various Google results and emails from forums)

Hi @nsh2111 how low do you go on carbs? whole wheat flour,sweet potato, lentils, kidney beans and brown rice. all these are high in carbs.

Guzzler · Aug 7, 2018

nsh2111 said:
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I had 3 boiled eggs with some spinach and coffee with cream in morning. Lunch was chickeDiabetes and Type 2 Diabetes) n salad with avocado and dinner was salmon with asparagus and cream cheese.in between I had nuts another coffee with cream and a peanut butter and coconut oil fat bomb with some strawberries.

Well when I say good, I only meant complex carbs with low GI. E.g. whole wheat flour, some root vegetables like sweet potato, lentils and kidney beans and brown rice.

I may be wrong in thinking these are good carbs as they gave me type 2 in first place .

I have never had big muscle and frame ,may be I am one of those kinds who can't build muscles . I had round belly , which is gone now. Waist came down from 34 to 31. But I don't see those massive drops in blood sugar which is normally associated with lchf (as per various Google results and emails from forums)

In my opinion it does not matter what colour the carbs are or whether they are low or high GI they are still carbs and we (people with Pre Diabetes and Type 2 Diabetes) cannot metabolise them efficiently. You could try a short period without your complex carbs and see how you get on.

xfieldok · Aug 7, 2018

If you're not already using it download mySugr app. Use it to record your BG readings along with food including portion size

A rise of 2 between first bite and 2 hours after means your meal was too high in carbs or the portion was too large.

I find sweet potatoes fine if used in mutton stew, whatever you do don't bake them.

bulkbiker · Aug 7, 2018

nsh2111 said:
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I had 3 boiled eggs with some spinach and coffee with cream in morning. Lunch was chicken salad with avocado and dinner was salmon with asparagus and cream cheese.in between I had nuts another coffee with cream and a peanut butter and coconut oil fat bomb with some strawberries.

Well when I say good, I only meant complex carbs with low GI. E.g. whole wheat flour, some root vegetables like sweet potato, lentils and kidney beans and brown rice.

I may be wrong in thinking these are good carbs as they gave me type 2 in first place .

I have never had big muscle and frame ,may be I am one of those kinds who can't build muscles . I had round belly , which is gone now. Waist came down from 34 to 31. But I don't see those massive drops in blood sugar which is normally associated with lchf (as per various Google results and emails from forums)

Have you thought about skipping a meal or two to avoid the insulin reaction? I found this to be helpful along with a very low carb diet. You are eating meals and snacking too so you never let your body get "clear" of food. By not eating and not causing an insulin response you might allow your blood sugars to go a bit lower. Don't eat any less but eat it in a smaller eating window when in the day doesn't matter so much so long as it fits into your schedule.

Flora123 · Aug 7, 2018

nsh2111 said:
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Well when I say good, I only meant complex carbs with low GI. E.g. whole wheat flour, some root vegetables like sweet potato, lentils and kidney beans and brown rice.

I may be wrong in thinking these are good carbs as they gave me type 2 in first place .

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You can’t eat your way to diabetes according to my endo and various other experts who have written books. Carbs don’t give you diabetes. I can recommend Blood sugar 101 which will dispel the myths. I was disappointed to see a programme the other night saying that eating sugar gives you diabetes. If that was true every overweight person would be diabetic and they aren’t, and no thin people would get it.

bulkbiker · Aug 7, 2018

Flora123 said:
You can’t eat your way to diabetes according to my endo and various other experts who have written books. Carbs don’t give you diabetes. I can recommend Blood sugar 101 which will dispel the myths. I was disappointed to see a programme the other night saying that eating sugar gives you diabetes. If that was true every overweight person would be diabetic and they aren’t, and no thin people would get it.

I personally think you are looking at it the wrong way round.
If, as is pretty much thought these days, Type 2 is a condition of hyperinsulinemia then people with it should avoid causing insulin spikes. As carbohydrate consumption is the main culprit in causing these spikes then describing Type 2 as carbohydrate intolerant is fairly accurate. This then leads logically to Type 2's avoiding carbohydrates to avoid insulin spikes thus reducing insulin resistance and the accompanying high blood sugar levels.
I would say that people who can eat carbs obviously have a more robust insulin system so maybe haven't developed Type 2 yet (this I think is the key statement) but by overworking their insulin responses it becomes far more likely.
So I'm afraid for the people that develop Type 2 like you and I it seems your Endo may be incorrect and probably a bit outdated.
Out of interest what do they think caused your Type 2 if not the way you ate beforehand?

KK123 · Aug 7, 2018

Flora123 said:
You can’t eat your way to diabetes according to my endo and various other experts who have written books. Carbs don’t give you diabetes. I can recommend Blood sugar 101 which will dispel the myths. I was disappointed to see a programme the other night saying that eating sugar gives you diabetes. If that was true every overweight person would be diabetic and they aren’t, and no thin people would get it.

Flora, I do agree that eating carbs doesn't give you diabetes but if you HAVE diabetes, then eating too many carbs doesn't help manage it because your body doesn't cope well with them. To me it's like continuing to eat gluten products when you know they cause you problems. Why would you? Also I am sure that if most people knew that their bodies couldn't cope with carbs BEFORE becoming diabetic then they might have tried to minimise the problem by eating fewer carbs.

nsh2111 · Aug 7, 2018

bulkbiker said:
Have you thought about skipping a meal or two to avoid the insulin reaction? I found this to be helpful along with a very low carb diet. You are eating meals and snacking too so you never let your body get "clear" of food. By not eating and not causing an insulin response you might allow your blood sugars to go a but lower. Don't eat any less but eat it in a smaller eating window when in the day doesn't matter so much so long as it fits into your schedule.

@bulkbiker yes I have tried doing fasts. If I fast for 24 hours , my blood sugar is in low 5s
The only reason I don't do them frequently is because of this dilemma in my mind around my weight. As I said I don't have much weight and if I fast , I will be in danger of going in underweight category.

May be I could do what you suggest and see how it affect. Restrict my feeding window to smaller time and eat all my calories in that window. Will be hard to cram 2000 calories in just two main meal but will try and see how it goes.

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bulkbiker · Aug 7, 2018

nsh2111 said:
Will be hard to cram 2000 calories in just two main meal but will try and see how it goes.

Don't forget to up the fat content.. it will make it far easier.. add in a couple of avocados... the one I had yesterday was almost 500 cals on its own.

nsh2111 · Aug 7, 2018

Terrytiddy said:
Hi @nsh2111 how low do you go on carbs? whole wheat flour,sweet potato, lentils, kidney beans and brown rice. all these are high in carbs.

Hi @Terrytiddy I don't eat all this now
Used to before I got diagnosed considering these are healthy to eat. For last 4 months my average daily carb intake is no more then 25 to ,30 grams. Sometime I am in keto sometime not

Terrytiddy · Aug 7, 2018

nsh2111 said:
Hi @Terrytiddy I don't eat all this now
Used to before I got diagnosed considering these are healthy to eat. For last 4 months my average daily carb intake is no more then 25 to ,30 grams. Sometime I am in keto sometime not

Apologies @nsh2111 re-read the posts and see what you are eating now. 25 - 30g is good for your bg control and overall good for your diabetes control. Do you go for 2000 calories per day to sustain your weight? As @bulkbiker has suggested up your fat content it will help with calories and help stop you being hungry.

nsh2111 · Aug 8, 2018

Terrytiddy said:
Apologies @nsh2111 re-read the posts and see what you are eating now. 25 - 30g is good for your bg control and overall good for your diabetes control. Do you go for 2000 calories per day to sustain your weight? As @bulkbiker has suggested up your fat content it will help with calories and help stop you being hungry.

I will try to have two avos a day. currently I get to one most days but i can see that this is better than stuffing cheese in my face. I am not a cheese person so hence i struggle to add fat. My only options are butter,ghee and fruits like avocados

Flora123 · Aug 8, 2018

bulkbiker said:
I personally think you are looking at it the wrong way round.
If, as is pretty much thought these days, Type 2 is a condition of hyperinsulinemia then people with it should avoid causing insulin spikes. As carbohydrate consumption is the main culprit in causing these spikes then describing Type 2 as carbohydrate intolerant is fairly accurate. This then leads logically to Type 2's avoiding carbohydrates to avoid insulin spikes thus reducing insulin resistance and the accompanying high blood sugar levels.
I would say that people who can eat carbs obviously have a more robust insulin system so maybe haven't developed Type 2 yet (this I think is the key statement) but by overworking their insulin responses it becomes far more likely.
So I'm afraid for the people that develop Type 2 like you and I it seems your Endo may be incorrect and probably a bit outdated.
Out of interest what do they think caused your Type 2 if not the way you ate beforehand?

I was quoting endo. My diet before diagnosis was not bad at all and not particularly high carb. That is why he is confused by me. I was told (and read) that it is dodgy genes, toxins, shock and stress that can all cause it (by damaging your insulin system?) If eating vast amounts of carbs causes diabetes wouldn’t that mean that every obese person should be diabetic? Chicken and egg perhaps. Confusing when so many sources have such different theories about it!

Flora123 · Aug 8, 2018

KK123 said:
Flora, I do agree that eating carbs doesn't give you diabetes but if you HAVE diabetes, then eating too many carbs doesn't help manage it because your body doesn't cope well with them. To me it's like continuing to eat gluten products when you know they cause you problems. Why would you? Also I am sure that if most people knew that their bodies couldn't cope with carbs BEFORE becoming diabetic then they might have tried to minimise the problem by eating fewer carbs.

Yes of course!

Dark Horse · Aug 8, 2018

Flora123 said:
I was quoting endo. My diet before diagnosis was not bad at all and not particularly high carb. That is why he is confused by me. I was told (and read) that it is dodgy genes, toxins, shock and stress that can all cause it (by damaging your insulin system?) If eating vast amounts of carbs causes diabetes wouldn’t that mean that every obese person should be diabetic? Chicken and egg perhaps. Confusing when so many sources have such different theories about it!

Like many things, it's due to a combination of genes and environment. If you have inherited genes which make you susceptible to type 2 diabetes, you are likely to develop the disease if you become overweight or obese. Someone else with the same genes but who doesn't live in an obesogenic environment may never become overweight and may never develop type 2 diabetes. Conversely, if someone has not inherited genes that predispose to type 2 diabetes, they are unlikely to develop type 2 diabetes even if they become obese.

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