Low carb diets harmful, the science.

martinsk8r said:

Yes, I agree. What I meant to say was that we have gone wrong with our diets over the last 50 years but our bodies developed over a few thousand years. We should be eating a diet closer to what we used to eat, and not what the supermarkets and factories want us to eat. I think we should eat some carbs, Barry Groves thinks a diabetic should be on 50 - 60g of Carbs per day and I found that good.
Now I am off gliklazide and on to Insulin I hope to get back to a LCHF diet (but LOW carb not none!). The Gliklazide tablets made me crave carbs and exercise only made it worse.

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Indeed, and I agree with you.

In my understanding every person has a different sensitivity to carbohydrates and there is more than one way to skin a cat. Urgh, what a terrible idiom, is there a better one in the English language?

In my case 30g carbs, derived by vegetables, is pretty much perfect. It keeps me on light ketosis, it kills my carbs cravings, it manages my blood glucose beautifully. And I eat mountains of glorious veggies, which I adore.

Every person is different. Listening to advice helps, but in the end one has to find what works by oneself.

Klang180 said:

Don't shoot the messenger here please.

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OK.

The site seems to be peddling the animal fat = heart disease fallacy that just received yet another blow in the recent Diabetes UK study, the latest in a long line of major studies to fail to detect any significant connection between dietary fat and heart disease. Animal fats don't cause heart disease. Carbs do.

Spiker said:

OK.

The site seems to be peddling the animal fat = heart disease fallacy that just received yet another blow in the recent Diabetes UK study, the latest in a long line of major studies to fail to detect any significant connection between dietary fat and heart disease. Animal fats don't cause heart disease. Carbs do.

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Agreed! A rather shaky future awaits for the 'Frankenfat' manufacturing industry I strongly suspect!

Remember when they convinced us to give up natural saturated fats and eat man-made trans fats instead?

That went well.

paul-1976 said:

Agreed! A rather shaky future awaits for the 'Frankenfat' manufacturing industry I strongly suspect!

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A couple of years ago I heard a top heart surgeon speaking on breakfast television. He was telling people to stop eating butter and switch to low fat spreads, as 'butter causes heart disease'. He said the problem was getting worse and worse and we should all act now to stop ourselves going to an early grave. THEN he said that when you look in the supermarket, there is a good selection of low fat spreads to choose from, and not many butters....so people are getting the message. Now he may be a top surgeon, but his logic was appalling. If there is only a small section devoted to butters, and most people are eating low fat , and heart disease incidence is rising, how can this be down to butter? Logic alone says it must either be low-fat products causing the problem, or something else (carbs!)

ItalianKitten said:

Indeed, and I agree with you.

In my understanding every person has a different sensitivity to carbohydrates and there is more than one way to skin a cat. Urgh, what a terrible idiom, is there a better one in the English language?

In my case 30g carbs, derived by vegetables, is pretty much perfect. It keeps me on light ketosis, it kills my carbs cravings, it manages my blood glucose beautifully. And I eat mountains of glorious veggies, which I adore.

Every person is different. Listening to advice helps, but in the end one has to find what works by oneself.

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You are right I manage 100 to 150g of carb and could probably handle more if I want to fatten myself like a goose for Christmas.

PS "skin a cat" is not a reference to the animal but the cat of nine tails (a whip used on ships) so you can use it without remorse to the poor feline friends

Andrew Colvin said:

"skin a cat" is not a reference to the animal but the cat of nine tails (a whip used on ships) so you can use it without remorse to the poor feline friends

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That's a relief!

You know how in English you use the idiom "to kill two birds with one stone"?
In Italian we say "to catch two pigeons with one bean".

Nobody needs to die

ItalianKitten said:

That's a relief!

You know how in English you use the idiom "to kill two birds with one stone"?
In Italian we say "to catch two pigeons with one bean".

Nobody needs to die

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Ah yes, it sounds much kinder, but why are those hungry Italians trying to catch the pigeons? What is the Italian for "pigeon pie"? ;-)

Spiker said:

Ah yes, it sounds much kinder, but why are those hungry Italians trying to catch the pigeons? What is the Italian for "pigeon pie"? ;-)

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When I was small, back in Italy, we had a handful of pigeons.

One day I heard my mother talking about turning two into food, so I climbed up to their coop, stuffed them into a rucksack (easier said than done), then cycled with my little bike into the countryside.

When I was far enough, I freed them. Clearly they weren't homing pigeons because they never came back, and my mother was left scratching her head. She became convinced someone had stolen them.

I was a devious little terror.

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Ah yes, it sounds much kinder, but why are those hungry Italians trying to catch the pigeons? What is the Italian for "pigeon pie"? ;-)

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because there isn't enough meat on one pigeon

One day I heard my mother talking about turning two into food, so I climbed up to their coop, stuffed them into a rucksack (easier said than done), then cycled with my little bike into the countryside.

When I was far enough, I freed them. Clearly they weren't homing pigeons because they never came back, and my mother was left scratching her head. She became convinced someone had stolen them.

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Conscience before stomach - I like it