quiltergarth
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NICE CG15:
1.12.3.2 Throughout the course of an inpatient admission, the personal expertise of adults with type 1 diabetes (in managing their own diabetes) should be respected and routinely integrated into ward-based blood glucose monitoring and insulin delivery, using the person with type 1 diabetes' own system. This should be incorporated into the nursing care plan.
1.12.3.3 Throughout the course of an inpatient admission, the personal knowledge and needs of adults with diabetes regarding their dietary requirements should be a major determinant of the food choices offered to them, except when illness or medical or surgical intervention significantly disturbs those requirements.
Then get her to consult some other less senior doctor.The staff nurse said the consultant would not be round until Tuesday
Sorry, what? ( OED: "a substance used in the treatment or prevention of disease or infection")Its amazing that some nursing staff actually think that insulin is a drug
It is a shame that you were treated this poorly. It seems that the best thing to do would be to contact your diabetes consultant before any planned surgery to ask for a letter to state that you must be allowed to manage your own insulin. However, there may still be a battle with individual nurses.Recently admitted to hospital for surgery I was horrified upon admission that after having well controlled Type 1 for 40years with no admissions for hypos our hypers I was shocked that old protocol still exists. A nurse asked me to hand over my insulin pens.(Felt what entering prison must be like) I informed her that I had great experience and knew what I was doing. She got v excited when I told her because of travelling to another hospital my blood sugar was slightly raised so I took 3 units to reduce it. She nearly had a coronary. She went away and returned with my insulin pen with a dose of 8 units. I refused to take it as I told if I administered this I’d be dead. A DR on the ward came to see me telling me that she would hand the control over to me. However, the nurses kept my pens and this resulted in me getting my meal but waiting an hour until a DR signed for it. By this stage my blood sugar was 17. This infuriates me when gd control is paramount. I strongly object to this as it made me feel extremely vulnerable. Why in this day and age is this archaic protocol still in place . Is there anyone can help change this?
Out of interest what would happen if you refused to hand over existing medications?It is a shame that you were treated this poorly. It seems that the best thing to do would be to contact your diabetes consultant before any planned surgery to ask for a letter to state that you must be allowed to manage your own insulin. However, there may still be a battle with individual nurses.
Last time when I was taken in by an ambulance, and admitted to a ward, the nurses insisted on taking away the antibiotics that I had been prescribed for a tooth abscess. They could not remove my insulin pump but only gave me the antibiotics during the ward medical round, which messed up the six-hourly antibiotics. Often there are care assistants rather than nurses on the wards, but even the nurse in charge may not be very bright.
The hospital I was at is in Hampshire, and I have no idea if this is a nation-wide disregard for diabetics' rights.
I was in A&E a couple of months back.Recently admitted to hospital for surgery I was horrified upon admission that after having well controlled Type 1 for 40years with no admissions for hypos our hypers I was shocked that old protocol still exists. A nurse asked me to hand over my insulin pens.(Felt what entering prison must be like) I informed her that I had great experience and knew what I was doing. She got v excited when I told her because of travelling to another hospital my blood sugar was slightly raised so I took 3 units to reduce it. She nearly had a coronary. She went away and returned with my insulin pen with a dose of 8 units. I refused to take it as I told if I administered this I’d be dead. A DR on the ward came to see me telling me that she would hand the control over to me. However, the nurses kept my pens and this resulted in me getting my meal but waiting an hour until a DR signed for it. By this stage my blood sugar was 17. This infuriates me when gd control is paramount. I strongly object to this as it made me feel extremely vulnerable. Why in this day and age is this archaic protocol still in place . Is there anyone can help change this?
The problem is that when not well, and wearing a hospital gown, I felt too vulnerable to test what would happen if I had refused. Fortunately my excellent diabetes team is based at the same hospital. After my endocrine consultant had been to see me the following day, the staff treated me with more respect. However, the overall feeling I was left with is to try to avoid being an in-patient at all cost.Out of interest what would happen if you refused to hand over existing medications?
Assuming a person was well enough to administer them what legal right do they have to take those medications away from the patient?
obviously it makes sense to tell them what medications you are self administering and why but I’d be loathe to hand them over or stop taking them unless given good reason by a dr familiar with those medications and conditions.
I understand. All part of feeling well enough to resist and demand better treatment. It’s not always possible. Even I, as a very self advocating person usually, can fold under the pressures in such circumstances. Harder still for those that don’t find it easy to speak up generally. That is why hospitals should have better systems in place to protect us all.The problem is that when not well, and wearing a hospital gown, I felt too vulnerable to test what would happen if I had refused. Fortunately my excellent diabetes team is based at the same hospital. After my endocrine consultant had been to see me the following day, the staff treated me with more respect. However, the overall feeling I was left with is to try to avoid being an in-patient at all cost.
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