"Self flagellation..."

Doczoc, I have a hide like a rhinos, so don't worry about having given offense; none was taken. All I'm saying is that what works for one isn't necessarily the best approach for others. I found that adopting a strict low-carb diet was not only expensive but also took a good deal of time and effort to stick to rigorously. Taking a more relaxed approach using my own version of the low GI diet hasn't caused any noticeable difference in my BG levels, and has made life far less complicated. It's worked for me but may not work for you, there's only one way to find out!

I do think it's important that all the available options are discussed here openly and without rancour for the benefit of the newly diagnosed. They're already frightened and confused, so it can't help them to read endless posts where seasoned diabetics constantly fall out with one another, can it?

By George!!!I think they are getting it!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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phoenix said:

It is the constant hectoring and ridicule as demonstrated by the above statement which makes me wonder if it is possible to stay here.
On reason I haven't yet left is that I still hope that I can help someone.

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Doesn't it cut both ways? The quote above was in response to the hectoring and ridicule shown by non low carbers elsewhere on this board. The assumption is that if you follow a low carb diet you are some sort of obsessive carb counting automaton, holding up Bernstein as some sort of demi-God. Take a look at some of the signatures and sniggering, caustic posts elsewhere. Those following low carb are seen as being 'nuts' and not having a mind of their own. This whole post is about others making out that low carbers are some sort of masochists remember. It's all pretty pathetic really, everyone just needs to grow up.

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Quite, they even have their own new forum now as well as a new section here where one of the first threads is anti-Bernstein. Then there's the DUK-Approved forum where you are not permitted to suggest alternatives to the prescribed treatments.

My criticism is not of anyone who does what works for THEM, but of people who have a different condition altogether preaching at others, and here as well as elsewhere this is usually Type 1 insulin users vs. unmedicated Type 2s. A cardiologist described Type 2 as "a cardiovascular disease sometimes associated with high blood sugars" which is an excellent point: we have DIFFERENT factors in play, most Type 1s don't have insulin resistance, leptin resistance etc. which are also factors for many nondiabetics (or not-yet-diabetics) and which are all improved by dietary control in ways that don't work for people without the gene set.

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The result was sobering kick up the jacksie. One particularly frustrating day saw me eat a pretty standard pre-diagnosis food intakel. Two hours after my evening meal I was 12.6

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It does no harm to scare yourself occasionally, keeps you on plan <G>

What have you learned from this? You still have the genes but you have learned how not to express them.

I tell you Trink, it was a real flippin' shock.

A friend of mine has a particular interest and qualifications in food and it's relationship to genes. He is firmly convinced that the carb gene can be switched on and off depending on our carb intake. Well, I'm mostly able to control my little rogue but when I can't I don't beat myself up. I have noticed that if it's time to eat I don't get hungry, I get a carb craving, so I have to quash the bu*ger every day. It's almost a year since diagnosis and I was hoping for it to go away but it ticks quietly away in the background.

What I do constantly think about is the sudden cessation of weight loss. I am by no means of a normal weight for my height, but I am 4.5 stones lighter. All this happened between June and December last year and nothing since. :evil: I'm currently on about 50 gms carb a day, probably enough to keep my gene switched on. Ho Hum, time to be as strict with my diet as I was in the very beginning.

wiflib

wiflib said:

I tell you Trink, it was a real flippin' shock.

A friend of mine has a particular interest and qualifications in food and it's relationship to genes. He is firmly convinced that the carb gene can be switched on and off depending on our carb intake. Well, I'm mostly able to control my little rogue but when I can't I don't beat myself up. I have noticed that if it's time to eat I don't get hungry, I get a carb craving, so I have to quash the bu*ger every day. It's almost a year since diagnosis and I was hoping for it to go away but it ticks quietly away in the background.

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YES!

I think that's the root of the problem. Other species (like those **** diabetic mice) have reversible diabetes: they can switch between high insulin fat stashing mode and low insulin fat using mode either to fuel hibernation or migration (Sedge Warblers stuff their faces with high carb insects and double their body weight to fuel a trans-Saharan migration which burns all the fat off again)

Somewhere along the evolutionary path we have lost control of this switching mechanism, a significant percentage of the population is stuck in "on" mode and it takes a lot of work to defeat this (incretins may be a factor in coupling and decoupling insulin production to food intake).

What I do constantly think about is the sudden cessation of weight loss. I am by no means of a normal weight for my height, but I am 4.5 stones lighter. All this happened between June and December last year and nothing since. :evil: I'm currently on about 50 gms carb a day, probably enough to keep my gene switched on. Ho Hum, time to be as strict with my diet as I was in the very beginning.

wiflib

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http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cate ... ight-loss/

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/?s=weigh ... &x=20&y=16

Both these guys and others have covered the problem when weight loss stalls. Sometimes it takes a while for your body to notice what's occurring and switch into conservation mode to stop it. So far I haven't read any single definite way of turning the weight loss back on again, sometimes more protein, more fat or paradoxically more carbs temporarily, and sometimes a change in exercise patterns, will do it, you just need to tweak until you find your own switch.

4.5 stones is pretty amazing!