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OH my god will not be buying these again.
 
Try nuts (pecan and cashews are my favourites), cheese (babybell's travel quite well), boiled eggs, chicken legs (but you may need a cool bag). Also I have been having roasted chick peas - put them in the oven for about 15 mins on 200C, then cover them in marmite or Tikka powder and put back in the oven for 10-15 mins. Leave to cool in the oven. Then transfer to a little Tupperware container and ready-made snack. Marmite ones taste like twiglets,
 
ChrisSamsDad said:
That's an anecdote, not evidence. That's like going into a courtroom and saying "he is a murderer, I feel it in my bones" and calling that evidence. Or "It was really cold today, so global warming is a hoax".
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Nope.
She has just given anecdotal evidence. It is a personal experience that is valid for her.
I have similar but different experiences with many artificial sweeteners, and therefore have learned that if I want to feel well, I avoid them. Makes me a member of a minority, but my experiences are no less real.

Your courtroom example is invalid. A better example is like going into a courtroom and saying that, 'He is a murderer. I saw it. There were 20 people in the room who did not see/notice/experience the murder. Maybe they were facing in the opposite direction, or the lighting was angled badly, or they need better glasses, but I saw it.'

Is that enough to convict the guy? Probably not. But it doesn't make the witness statement a lie.

If we relied on the general perception that peanuts are great and don't cause problems, then we would be scratching our heads over a number of deaths by anaphylactic shock every year, wouldn't we? Doesn't matter how many people think peanuts are FAB, if you die of an allergy to them, you are entitled to disagree. From the grave.
 
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Mike D said:
Yes it is evidence ... period.
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Well, you say 'period' as if no more discussion is possible, but I can be even more childish - so I say 'double-dib with a dog's life and no returns' - so I get to say one more thing and that's the actual final argument: Actually I can't be bothered, but if you're interested the Wikipedia page explains it very well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence.

I had a friend who claimed smoking a joint gave him the worst hangover possible - on further grilling it turned out he'd given up smoking and was only ever tempted to smoke one when he was nearly paralytic with booze. This is a very simple example of why anecdotal evidence is almost worthless.
 

Well, no it's not quite that - she has no direct evidence - she probably didn't JUST eat acesulfame-K, it's usually used in conjunction with other sweeteners for a start, and they're most often eaten in fizzy drinks. Also, humans are notoriously bad at this kind of thing, there are well-known effects such as Placebo which is quite well known, and Nocebo, which perhaps isn't where you get side effects if you're expecting them, even though you've had none of the actual ingredient.

So it's more like saying "I saw this man acting suspiciously earlier in the day near where I found the body".

Also, no-one's saying anyone's a liar. I'm just saying you can't say a sweetener is a bad thing because you suspect it causes you problems. It could well be the cause of it, but even so, one person's anecdotal evidence isn't enough. There are loads of people - me included that have no problems whatsoever with any sweeteners (in moderation), but my testimonial that they're fine is also not good evidence - a double blind test involving 1,000 people getting either it or a placebo would be good evidence. Peanut allergy is life-threatening so clearly warnings are needed in proportion, and in fact sweeteners do have warnings about side-effects. Sugar, however, is perfectly fine apparently - being 100% natural and all that.
 
ChrisSamsDad said:
I'm just saying you can't say a sweetener is a bad thing because you suspect it causes you problems.
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Yes, you can. Anyone can.

In my case, I have eaten and drunk all sorts of different foods and ended up with particular reactions.
When the ingredients of those foods were examined, the artificial sweeteners were the common features.

And yes, I can say that artificial sweeteners are 'bad things' (note, those are your words, not mine), whether I produce evidence or not. It is an opinion, in my case that opinion is based on personal experience and spending a number of sleepless nights feeling like my eyelids are on rollerblinds. You don't have the same experience. Fine.

Your opinion, based on a few limited highly criticised studies and an absence of symptoms, is irrelevant to me, or what I (and others) choose to say on the forum.

I like that you air your opinions, and I respect your right to hold them and state them.
But you have no right to say that my opinions and experiences are invalid, just because you disagree.
 
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Nope. Ace-K does not contain methylene chloride. This is not used in manufacture of the product, or when combining it with other sweetners. Methylene chloride is not proven as carcinogenic, even though it is a commonly used industrial solvent used in the food business. You can buy it on eBay for example. I take it you extracted your info from either NaturalNews, or the blog sugarpoison.com.

There is a mention of methylene chloride in connection with Ace-k. It occurs twice in the patent application for the product, and was used in a lab in preparation of samples to be used in the assay process to prove the contents of the submitted samples to the patent authorities., but not in their manufacture.

Methylene Chloride only exists as a liquid or a gas, not as a solid (Pub Chem), so is unlikely to be found in Ace-k tablets for example/ So I do not find the info you posted here to be valid.

Edit to Add: Methylene Chloride is also highly volatile, so won't hang around much either.
 
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Are you serious about those doses? Milligrams/kg weight?????? No wonder the mice went haywire/ You can prove anything by giving a massive overdose, it seems. Yes, water is toxic is an argument I have seen on the forum before now.
 
How did a thread about snacks turn into ANOTHER Aspartame argument???!!!!
 
I disagree. All artificial sweeteners have cause me severe stomach pain. When did I call it evidence? I said study done. Study is done with my stomach. Big difference. However using your terminology, it is evident to me that I should not eat it
 
Since retiring I spend a lot of my days walking around nature reserves. Sometimes this can mean walking for several miles and I can easily find myself mid-walk feeling physically hungry. I am in the UK and find that Trek bars both keep me going and don't spike my BS too much. If you feel the need for a snack then look around the various protein bars but read the labels as some can be quite high on sugar.

Also seriously ask yourself are you eating for hunger or habit? I used to often snack mid-afternoon but looking back a lot of this was due to bad habits rather than need.

At the end of the day, your stomach and your monitor will tell you all you need to know. The p¡eople here gave me the chance to learn to trust myself and what I eat and I know they will support you too.

Take it easy, good luck with the pending HbA1c and I hope it goes well ☺
 
Catlady19 said:
How did a thread about snacks turn into ANOTHER Aspartame argument???!!!!
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close...... Ace-k to be an absolute pedant. Problem is many snacks contain chemicals, and these might cause us upsets or even death (especially if we consume milligrams/kg body weight.)

I wonder what is in Babybel that makes the jacket so tasty and chewey.
 
This is ridiculous Chris. I am not publishing anything nor am I trying to convince any one one way or another. I personally think it is junk and my gut agrees. I do know other people are of the same opinion but we're not shouting it from a roof top, we just statedd our opinions and the reactions we get to it. Don't put words in my mouth or over analyze what I said. I said it was bad for me. Period. Why are you arguing about that? Never mind, don't answer. Raw broccoli is bad for my stomach to but I'm not saying it's bad for you. Eat and drink what you want as will I. Other than mayo I eat very few things with more than one ingredient. My choice. Why are we even discussing it?
 
From now on I will avoid all contentious subjects as I did not join this forum to get involved in or start arguments.

The only reason I brought the matter up is when I searched on Aldi sugar free sweets intending to maybe get some I found this which caused me to look further.

Aldi Sugar Free Sweets diarrhoea WARNING21st Jul 13 at 5:20 PM

I am slightly overweight so I decided to cut down on sugar.

I bought some Aldi Dominion SugarFree Clear Fruits sweets from Aldi to eat while at the pictures.

Started eating them at 7 o'clock when the picture started and at about 8:30 I thought I had wind and needed to fart.

Was I wrong.

What came out wasn't gas. It was water.

Obnoxious smelling water.

I had to go to the toilet, luckily it was dark, you try walking while clenching your buttocks.

I spent the rest of visit to the pictures sitting on the toilet getting rid of water.

My partner had to send someone looking for me as I never made it back to the pictures before the picture finished.

The cause of all my discomfort and embarrassment?

Aldi's Sugar Free Sweets containing acesulfame-k

From what I have read about this stuff it should be banned.

It is poison

I did go to the doctor and she recommended that I should never eat anything containing this poison ever.

So if you decided to cut down on sugar and have had diarrhoea check that you are not poisoning yourself with acesulfame-k

Admittedly the persons discomfort may or may not have been caused by the sweets but they certainly believed so.
 
This is the original post that started this thread.


If you want to argue about preservatives, additives or sugar substitutes then please start another thread.
 


What film were they watching? Carry On at Your Convenience!?
 
Nuts,me specially macadamia, baby bell cheddar cheese, little tub of berries with mixed seeds...I can eat all these whilst on the go
 
Bag of scratchings. Not to everyone's taste - and you need strong teeth!
 
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