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The proportion of T1s to T2s (ignoring pre-diabetes and Reactive Hypoglycaemia) alone suggests it makes sense to check which variant of this disease anyone has before moving forward with a directive post.Well I didn't know Mike was just on Metformin.Lol. (had to check his profile which I didn't do earlier). And honestly I just assumed Mike was on Insulin(dont know why). Sorry Mike am new here and didn't know one could check profiles. Lesson learnt.
And you're right, metformin being a Biguanide has little risk of causing a hypoglycemic episode. Emphasis on little risk. However, Metformin(not in combination with other drugs) can cause Hypoglycaemia! This is especially so in patients with Kidney, Adrenal or Liver dysfunction as well as during strenous exercise and in the elderly.So never say never. Also a blood sugar level below 70mg/dL(3.88.mol/L) in a diabetic especially if consistently so, warrants an extra look. It might be nothing...and it usually is most times...but it still warrants a look.
And if you look at my comment I did mention CONSISTENTLY having figures below 4 and not on few occasions. I get figures like that occasionally especially after intense exercise.
Oh! And am from Lagos Nigeria. Not Portugal.
Cheers!!
Thanks for that Jan, I have tried reducing the granola today but even without the orange juice still hit an 8.2 at 1hr then down to 5.5 which this figure was good
Tried 2 slices of my multi seeded hovis wholemeal with tuna, small slices plus olives for dinner, but rose from 5.7 pre to 8.5 at 2 hours my figures have all gone astray.
Neil
Well there's no point in arguing. True most diabetics fall into the type 2 category, with the exceptions you've mentioned. However quite a number of type 2s do take insulin as well as sulfonylureas so it's less of the type of diabetes, rather the medication one is on( which I already admitted I didn't know). So I disagree with you on that. Besides there was nothing directive about my statement. It was just a suggestion. Whether u agree with it or not 70mg/dL(3.88mm/l) is a well documented guideline.The proportion of T1s to T2s (ignoring pre-diabetes and Reactive Hypoglycaemia) alone suggests it makes sense to check which variant of this disease anyone has before moving forward with a directive post.
I disagree with your statement regarding blood scores of 3.88. For a well controlled, unmedicated T2, such as myself, I merely see my body as replicating a non-diabetic individual. Such a replication is my aim. For the avoidance of doubt, I mean, I aim to have my body act as a non-diabetic, rather than necessarily at any particular score. There are a number of T2 individuals on this site who have been fortunate enough to have effectively reversed their diabetic status. Some eat a non-diabetic style diet, whilst others continue of a restricted carb diet.
It is my belief that there are thousands and thousands of non-diabetics running their bloods largely in the 3s every day of their lives. In most instances, how would we know? They don't test, or experience a rather random test if they have a diabetic friend.
For me, I am interested when my bloods drop under 3.2/3.3, as at that point, I am generally pretty hungry, but that's simple enough to fix. I have a working pancreas and a liver that likes to look after me, and I am keen to continue to exercise those, as I would, had I not had that diagnostic test. Clearly, whatever blood score I recorded, I would pay attention to it, if I felt unwell in any way.
I understand cognitive capacity is impacted when one dips into the 2s, and on the occasions, I have been into the 2s I have acted to lift my score immediately, but still only by having a cup of tea or something insignificant.
And, finally, you I did type T2 in error (meaning T1), as referred to in your second response.
Well no
Well there's no point in arguing. True most diabetics fall into the type 2 category, with the exceptions you've mentioned. However quite a number of type 2s do take insulin as well as sulfonylureas so it's less of the type of diabetes, rather the medication one is on( which I already admitted I didn't know). So I disagree with you on that. Besides there was nothing directive about my statement. It was just a suggestion. Whether u agree with it or not 70mg/dL(3.88mm/l) is a well documented guideline.
Guidelines are just that...guidelines especially considering the diverse nature of diabetes. you worry about 3.2, others worry about higher figures.
As regards your belief that there are thousands of people running figures of 3 and below...that's conjecture at best.
Oh well...ultimately what matters is good control and the prevention/delay of complications.
Am working hard towards controlling my diabetes without medication. At some point I was on Insulin Aspart as well as 2 oral meds.( diagnosed 2months ago). Now am just on Metformin(with diet and exercise of course). Fingers crossed!
I used to find Hovis tasted really sweet (long before I was diagnosed pre-diabetic) do they still add sugar to it? I know there has to be some to activate the yeast but it used to be quite a lot with its position in the ingredients listing... Maybe another brand?
Not a great deal wrong with your breakfast figures because you were right down again at 2 hours. (although I would still ditch the granola). However, 2 slices of bread was too many carbs. It tells you on the loaf how many carbs are in a slice. I eat the Hovis Seed Sensations Wholemeal, 14 carbs per slice but loads of fibre, which I need. I can, like Jan, only manage 1 slice though, but this is fine because it is thick and filling.
Mike - I heartily recommend you have a read of @Andrew Colvin 's thread here, which outlines his early day, after diagnosis and how he brought his blood scores into non-diabetic ranges: http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/got-my-first-3-month-hba1c-results-this-morning.55719/
Andrew is a very clever guy, who thinks through his actions and has done lots and lots of testing, on both himself and his other family members, in order to uphold his various hypothesis. He has another excellent thread on increasing carb intake, but that was after he head achieved his first stage targets.
I think you would find it exceptionally enlightening. I'm not suggesting you follow Andrew's every move, but there are some absolute gems in there which have helped me a lot along the way.
3.9 is kinda pushing it, especially considering the risk of Hypoglycemic unawareness. You might need to discuss with your doctor if you keep getting levels consistently below 4mmol/L.
Well I didn't know Mike was just on Metformin.Lol. (had to check his profile which I didn't do earlier). And honestly I just assumed Mike was on Insulin(dont know why). Sorry Mike am new here and didn't know one could check profiles. Lesson learnt.
And you're right, metformin being a Biguanide has little risk of causing a hypoglycemic episode. Emphasis on little risk. However, Metformin(not in combination with other drugs) can cause Hypoglycaemia! This is especially so in patients with Kidney, Adrenal or Liver dysfunction as well as during strenous exercise and in the elderly.So never say never. Also a blood sugar level below 70mg/dL(3.88.mol/L) in a diabetic especially if consistently so, warrants an extra look. It might be nothing...and it usually is most times...but it still warrants a look.
And if you look at my comment I did mention CONSISTENTLY having figures below 4 and not on few occasions. I get figures like that occasionally especially after intense exercise.
Oh! And am from Lagos Nigeria. Not Portugal.
Cheers!!
Mike, had you have alcohol the night before, I know if I do my morning reading are lower than my norm which is low fives, but dependent on alcohol can go down to 3.5 ? Just wonderingThink it was a blip. Never had below 4.4 in the morning and the range is usually 5 or 6... but I take your point. Thanks
Mike
Mike, had you have alcohol the night before, I know if I do my morning reading are lower than my norm which is low fives, but dependent on alcohol can go down to 3.5 ? Just wondering
Oh Mike, no lean cuts for me!Yep, reading back it wasn't that bad a mix of food
Think I'll just have some lean steak and maybe some onions / mushrooms
Mike
Bit late for bacon (10:18pm) but testing the alcohol theory (but forgot to test b4 bed). Tobermory - whisky. Can't remember last time I had one.6.4 and bacon calls!
NO. NO. NO.Bit late for bacon (10:18pm) but testing the alcohol theory (but forgot to test b4 bed). Tobermory - whisky. Can't remember last time I had one.
You sure?NO. NO. NO.. It's NEVER to late for beloved bacon... .. EVER.
YepYou sure?;-):-D=-O
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