Diabetes snobbery

[ickihun]

@AdamJames if there are no other diabetics for generations either way then I think that covers genetics.

Nope. Not necessarily. Ask any genetic specialist. Have you heard of 'throw backs?'.

I'm glad you've posted and you've been educated by some type2s but there's plenty about type1 diabetes, i don't know.

The crust of the subject raised here is HOW it's said to a fellow diabetic, right @Mick1959 ?

We are all in the same boat and have different tides to swim. Type2s can eventually swim ashore (some are closer to shore than others) but type1s are swimming around in circles awaiting a cure.
However the same boat.

 

[LittleGreyCat]

I wonder if T1s diagnosed pre-teen or in early teens and who have had to live their whole lives entwined with diabetes resent the fact that most T2s have lived (compared at least to to them) a relatively carefree and self indulgent life suddenly appear on the scene in their '50s and '60s and (because of their numbers) swamp the diabetes scene.

The bottom line is that we all have problems related to insulin and the pancreas. Some were more sudden than others, but we are all in the same boat.

The lines are also becoming more blurred, as T1s are being diagnosed later and T2s are being diagnosed earlier. Also, more and more variants of diabetes are being identified.

Encouragingly, research initially aimed mainly at T1s is showing potential benefits for all people with diabetes.

 

[LouWilk059]

I get badmouthed by a fellow T2 because of my diet. She stuffs her (skinny) face with birthdaycake and is overcome with surprise if her bloodsugars skyrocket, but makes fun of me for sticking with a handfull of walnuts at the same party. Humiliating me is her idea of a good time.

Ahh, but you'll win in the end as you'll be healthier. So just smile and go on your merry way. (hugs)

 

[Mick1959]

Thanks for all of the replies, it seems like life in general, there are few who will claim the moral high ground to suit their own ego's. Unfortunately, they have loud voices, but empty vessels make most noise they say.

If I have to have T2, then I am just happy to be in same club as Steve Redgrave

 

[zand]

If I have to have T2, then I am just happy to be in same club as Steve Redgrave

Now he is one who chose to eat large amounts of carbs to suit his lifestyle....

 

[Bluetit1802]

Now he is one who chose to eat large amounts of carbs to suit his lifestyle....

Indeed he did, and under expert medical attention because he also had to inject massive amounts of insulin.

 

[ickihun]

Indeed he did, and under expert medical attention because he also had to inject massive amounts of insulin.

Muscle density can make IR worse.
That's another reason why insulin dependants are weighed before seeing consultant.

 

[NicoleC1971]

I wonder if T1s diagnosed pre-teen or in early teens and who have had to live their whole lives entwined with diabetes resent the fact that most T2s have lived (compared at least to to them) a relatively carefree and self indulgent life suddenly appear on the scene in their '50s and '60s and (because of their numbers) swamp the diabetes scene.

The bottom line is that we all have problems related to insulin and the pancreas. Some were more sudden than others, but we are all in the same boat.

The lines are also becoming more blurred, as T1s are being diagnosed later and T2s are being diagnosed earlier. Also, more and more variants of diabetes are being identified.

Encouragingly, research initially aimed mainly at T1s is showing potential benefits for all people with diabetes.

\Re resentment. Cannot remember being type Zero (like Coke \Zero - sugar free!) and curiously enough my impression from my many adult onset T1 friends is that they are generally more anxious and resentful of the condition because it came as a bolt from the blue in most cases! Perhaps when you are 10 you have an immortality complex whereas later on and especially if you have kids, there is more projection into a possibly bleak future...But I remain hopeful of better tech and better research but have faith in the low carb way too. After 37 years of insulin I am trying to avoid the Double D!

 

[AdamJames]

I think we can all agree that the worst of the worst are the people who can eat whatever they want and get away with it. Vile, vile creatures. I hate them. They are an inferior sub-species and morally repugnant.

 

[Resurgam]

Although only diagnosed at 66 I had spent the last 40 odd years eating to try to prevent weight gain - I found low carb, but again and again I was found out by doctors who thought that they knew better and had me on diets and going to be weighed every week - and harangued for it not working. I have always eaten less than 'normal' but no one ever believed me when I told them what I did or did not eat - I have even had people totting up calories for meals I had not eaten because everyone eats dinner after work - which at one time I was not doing but even so it was added into my daily total and triumphantly declared to be why I was not losing weight.

 

[LooperCat]

I think we can all agree that the worst of the worst are the people who can eat whatever they want and get away with it. Vile, vile creatures. I hate them. They are an inferior sub-species and morally repugnant.

There’s a level worse. The ones that can eat whatever they like, and gleefully do so in front of your face while telling you it’s such a shame you aren’t allowed it.

I don’t mind people eating anything they like around me, don’t get me wrong. It’s the ones who use food as a way of bullying me.

 

[AdamJames]

There’s a level worse. The ones that can eat whatever they like, and gleefully do so in front of your face while telling you it’s such a shame you aren’t allowed it.

I don’t mind people eating anything they like around me, don’t get me wrong. It’s the ones who use food as a way of bullying me.

There's a special place in hell...

 

[LooperCat]

There's a special place in hell...

I’m wondering where to place the people who really try to insist on you having something you don’t eat? The person who tries to force a pudding into you, despite you saying that you don’t eat that particular food? And then becoming super snitty when you stand your ground, it’s like they are trying to set you up to fall, and don’t like it when you prove to be stronger than them... People who think you’re being miserable for turning away cake, for not joining in. I have the sort of advantage that I’m highly allergic to dairy, so if it comes to it I have that card to play, it it’s like a battle of wills sometimes, and I don’t use that one until the last resort. Never thought I’d be grateful for that particular allergy until recently!

And why do so many gatherings of women have to be centred on bl**dy CAKE??? #pethate

 

[Guzzler]

I’m wondering where to place the people who really try to insist on you having something you don’t eat? The person who tries to force a pudding into you, despite you saying that you don’t eat that particular food? And then becoming super snitty when you stand your ground, it’s like they are trying to set you up to fall, and don’t like it when you prove to be stronger than them... People who think you’re being miserable for turning away cake, for not joining in. I have the sort of advantage that I’m highly allergic to dairy, so if it comes to it I have that card to play, it it’s like a battle of wills sometimes, and I don’t use that one until the last resort. Never thought I’d be grateful for that particular allergy until recently!

And why do so many gatherings of women have to be centred on bl**dy CAKE??? #pethate

It is the same with people who want to force booze down your neck. I was called maungy and unsociable and got some very queer looks when I went teetotal and was pressed as to my reasons but as soon as I said that the main reason was that I just don't like the taste most people stopped pressing me which leads me to a suspicion that some folk who do partake actually do it despite not being a great fan of the taste, too.

 

[AdamJames]

I’m wondering where to place the people who really try to insist on you having something you don’t eat? The person who tries to force a pudding into you, despite you saying that you don’t eat that particular food? And then becoming super snitty when you stand your ground, it’s like they are trying to set you up to fall, and don’t like it when you prove to be stronger than them... People who think you’re being miserable for turning away cake, for not joining in. I have the sort of advantage that I’m highly allergic to dairy, so if it comes to it I have that card to play, it it’s like a battle of wills sometimes, and I don’t use that one until the last resort. Never thought I’d be grateful for that particular allergy until recently!

And why do so many gatherings of women have to be centred on bl**dy CAKE??? #pethate

Honestly, stop complaining and just conform. There's a good girl!

I know what you mean.

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It is the same with people who want to force booze down your neck. I was called maungy and unsociable and got some very queer looks when I went teetotal and was pressed as to my reasons but as soon as I said that the main reason was that I just don't like the taste most people stopped pressing me which leads me to a suspicion that some folk who do partake actually do it despite not being a great fan of the taste, too.

Not quite the same thing but it's reminded me of one of a few times when I'm at a bar and somebody asks me what I want to drink, they don't share my taste so they get me what they want to drink! For some people, the fact that other people are different to them just does not compute.

To be fair since I went teetotal a few months ago I've only been to one drinking event - the work's Christmas party, and everyone was very good about it and even giving me reviews of various non-alcoholic drinks they'd tried.

 

[Mbaker]

Type 2 for me is all about thresholds and societal food norms. Persons who criticise are statistically likely to eat the foods which can lead to Type 2 as well. There is a reason why circa 80% of supermarket foods have added sugar. The amount of carbs / sugar over a time axis which can lead to Type 2, is different for everyone - this is a genetic lottery in which the criticiser may well be 1 day away from a diagnosis themselves.

The foods that are in our shopping baskets and fast food outlets do not help. Just by looking at what happens to Aborigines who go back to bush tucker after 7 weeks (fbg down from 11 to 6, bmi circa 28 to 24), and those who do low carb, should indicate that food is a driver (the wrong type).

 

[AdamJames]

Type 2 for me is all about thresholds and societal food norms. Persons who criticise are statistically likely to eat the foods which can lead to Type 2 as well. There is a reason why circa 80% of supermarket foods have added sugar. The amount of carbs / sugar over a time axis which can lead to Type 2, is different for everyone - this is a genetic lottery in which the criticiser may well be 1 day away from a diagnosis themselves.

The foods that are in our shopping baskets and fast food outlets do not help. Just by looking at what happens to Aborigines who go back to bush tucker after 7 weeks (fbg down from 11 to 6, bmi circa 28 to 24), and those who do low carb, should indicate that food is a driver (the wrong type).

This is a great point.

It's exactly what I think when I hear people pointing the finger at someone with T2 and saying it was self-induced. I always think "just hang on for a few years, and let's see where you are then". T2 is all the rage these days in the UK, and I don't see any of the 'societal food norms' changing any time soon, so I can't help thinking it's only going to become more and more popular.

How many times have we heard people say they were shocked by their diagnosis?

 

[lucylocket61]

I am of the impression that one can be a secret alcoholic, or a secret drug addict or any other destructive thing and thats ok.

but put on weight, and Ye Gods- you are the Spawn of Satan and guilty of every sin under the sun!!!

Invisible issues - thats the way to go. I am Doing It Wrong!!!

My weight was initially drug induced by my doctor, then perpetuated by my HCP's telling me to help my ME by eating lots of energy giving carbs, then leading to insulin resistance induced retention of the weight gained.

And now those very same medical bods keep telling me its MY fault.......................

Something is crazy about that scenario - and its not me.

 

[JohnEGreen]

I was discussing on another thread a lady that had come to my attention she was diagnosed as T2 8 months ago followed medical advice on diet and had leg amputated up to the knee in this past week is now in hospital in great pain and wishing she had not followed her doctors advise.

She is a PE teacher not inclined to over eating or low fitness and has found her diagnosis and subsequent events devastating.

 

[kevinfitzgerald]

I wonder if T1s diagnosed pre-teen or in early teens and who have had to live their whole lives entwined with diabetes resent the fact that most T2s have lived (compared at least to to them) a relatively carefree and self indulgent life suddenly appear on the scene in their '50s and '60s and (because of their numbers) swamp the diabetes scene.

The bottom line is that we all have problems related to insulin and the pancreas. Some were more sudden than others, but we are all in the same boat.

The lines are also becoming more blurred, as T1s are being diagnosed later and T2s are being diagnosed earlier. Also, more and more variants of diabetes are being identified.

Encouragingly, research initially aimed mainly at T1s is showing potential benefits for all people with diabetes.

I was diagnosed in 1981 when I was 13 years old so have had Type 1 now for well over 36 years.

There are too many variables with having Diabetes regardless of type. Personally I find managing my condition fairly straight forward. I don't calorie count and do tests throughout the day. I fundamentally eat what I want and adjust my Insulin to what ever I decide to eat. HbA1c has not been over 7.5 for over ten years.. I'm doing ok, probably lucky in a sense to have found a way that works so well for me.

I can only go by my own experiences but ignorance has been mentioned much throughout this thread and for me that is the outweighing catalyst.

Totally regardless of which hand we have all been dealt in this complicated card game we play we have an obligation to our own health to educate ourselves and put into practice strategies learnt to improve the management and quality of our lives. We are all different and singularly unique so what works for one type will probably not work for another of the same type. As I said there are too many variables that can and normally do have a say in that. This entire thread is testament to that. If someone doesn't want to educate themselves for their own benefit then that truly is a shame as this is a chronic and sometimes totally debilitating and life threatening condition.

The reason why I love this Forum is because of the fellowship. We have our own community and I have read so many posts from people saying how the advice and help given to them by other members has improved the management of their condition and indeed the quality of their life.

I don't really give much time for those that are truly ignorant as they know not what they say. They can't help it, probably genetic!. And non cat lovers.......

Anyway I think I've lost the train of this post so from one Diabetic to whoever reads this (regardless of type) thank you for the support....