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Sooo glad I found this forum iv been having a good read but wanted to introduce myself. My name is Amanda and I was diagnosed last Friday, this was a massive shock as I only went for blood tests to see if I was on the menopause! Anyway on initial appointment with doc he said I was clinically obese ( 14 stone) I am 5ft 7 so was shocked at that! Iv been doing slimming world since and have lost 5llb in 2 weeks, my nurse app is 13/8 so totally in the dark about which foods etc, doc was pleased id lost some weight and said carry on what I'm doing, without mentioning carbs! I'm going on a hen do 15/8 and its a Chinese banquet plus quite a lot of alcohol! Will it affect me much if I have a blow out?
 
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@amanda19640

Hi Amanda and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask all the questions you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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Hi amanda19640
welcome to the forum :)

this is a great place for support and well done to you for "grasping the nettle" after the huge shock !!

I am tagging @daisy1 for her great starter reading pack for newly diagnosed -- a lot of very useful info. -- haha she beat me to it !!!!

if you stick to spirits ( rum or vodka or gin etc ) with diet mixers ( slimline tonic , diet pepsi , diet lemonade )
you should be cool on the drinks front :)

as for the food part of the hen doo -- the duck is a good choice as are the Yuck Sung ( chinese lettuce wraps )
you won't be able to completely avoid things that aren't so good but mainly just avoid the rice ( or a very small portion )

all the best !!
 

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Hi amanda19640
welcome to the forum :)

this is a great place for support and well done to you for "grasping the nettle" after the huge shock !!

I am tagging @daisy1 for her great starter reading pack for newly diagnosed -- a lot of very useful info. -- haha she beat me to it !!!!

if you stick to spirits ( rum or vodka or gin etc ) with diet mixers ( slimline tonic , diet pepsi , diet lemonade )
you should be cool on the drinks front :)

as for the food part of the hen doo -- the duck is a good choice as are the Yuck Sung ( chinese lettuce wraps )
you won't be able to completely avoid things that aren't so good but mainly just avoid the rice ( or a very small portion )

all the best !!
Thanks for the reply and advice, am normally a red wine drinker, but can do gin &tonic, dressing up in 1980 fancy dress would feel a prat if had 2 drink diet lemonade!! May cancel banquet and order separately
 

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red wine :) my favourite drink as well -- red wine is pretty good and should not affect levels much

i would just try and avoid the rice and sweet & sour type sauces -- stir fried veg with king prawns is a reasonable choice
char sui pork is ok

it is hard to avoid sugar completely in a chinese restaurant
 

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Hi Amanda, welcome :)
 

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A very warm welcome to you @amanda19640 . I've had 2 Chinese banquets since I was diagnosed in January and, because of the variety of dishes, I was able to make sensible choices and didn't do too much harm to my BGs readings following the meal. Just stay away from the noodles, rice and other very sweet sauce covered dishes. Have a good time.
 

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A very warm welcome to you @amanda19640 . I've had 2 Chinese banquets since I was diagnosed in January and, because of the variety of dishes, I was able to make sensible choices and didn't do too much harm to my BGs readings following the meal. Just stay away from the noodles, rice and other very sweet sauce covered dishes. Have a good time.
Ah thanks guys feelin better already! Bought myself an actifry makes great low fat chips, but makes sweet pot chips mushy! Will cut out banannas if they full of carbs is it better 2 eat berries? How good are grapes & necterines?
 

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It's all confusing to start with but don't worry you will sone get used to it try to keep the carbs and sugar down I find 2 glasses of red wine brings my sugars down just don't over do it ,have a good look around the forum I'm sure you will be fine .
Keep well stay safe JJ
 

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Hi and welcome
It's all confusing to start with but don't worry you will sone get used to it try to keep the carbs and sugar down I find 2 glasses of red wine brings my sugars down just don't over do it ,have a good look around the forum I'm sure you will be fine .
Keep well stay safe JJ
Thanks I will, havnt had wine for 2 weeks and really missing it, wont have on a week night will save for the weekend, I'm sure once iv had my appointments things will help.
 

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If you make it clear to the doctor that you want to take an active roll in monitoring your sugars he may give you test strips and a monitor its worth a try good luck
JJ
 

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If you make it clear to the doctor that you want to take an active roll in monitoring your sugars he may give you test strips and a monitor its worth a try good luck
JJ
Thanks will do
 

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Hi there,
Sooo glad I found this forum iv been having a good read but wanted to introduce myself. My name is Amanda and I was diagnosed last Friday, this was a massive shock as I only went for blood tests to see if I was on the menopause! Anyway on initial appointment with doc he said I was clinically obese ( 14 stone) I am 5ft 7 so was shocked at that! Iv been doing slimming world since and have lost 5llb in 2 weeks, my nurse app is 13/8 so totally in the dark about which foods etc, doc was pleased id lost some weight and said carry on what I'm doing, without mentioning carbs! I'm going on a hen do 15/8 and its a Chinese banquet plus quite a lot of alcohol! Will it affect me much if I have a blow out?
I think your doctor was going a bit overboard calling you clinically obese because your body mass index is only 30.7... 20-25 is normal, 25-30 is overweight and 30-35 is obese, so as you can see you are only just "obese" and I bet that in no time at all you will be under the 30 mark. :) You would only need to lose 4lb.
 
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I think your doctor was going a bit overboard calling you clinically obese because your body mass index is only 30.7... 20-25 is normal, 25-30 is overweight and 30-35 is obese, so as you can see you are only just "obese" and I bet that in no time at all you will be under the 30 mark. :) You would only need to lose 4lb.
Wow how good do I feel now haa!
 
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Hi Amanda and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask all the questions you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
That's very usefull info, I'm a bit confused at what good carbs are? And best fruits to eat? Iv bought son unsalted pistachio nuts, and some milled linseed with goji berries,sunflower & pumpkin seeds to go on my porridge are these ok to have?
 

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You'll just need to try them for yourself Amanda and test to see what happens. For many there is no such thing as 'good carbs', others are fortunate to be able to tolerate certain types, but it doesn't necessarily correlate with 'wholemeal' or other categorisation.
 

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I too am wondering about Chinese food - probably my favourite thing. I agree with the others that there should be enough low carb options to have a good meal. Chicken and mushroom soup, satay chicken, seaweed, spare ribs (the dry ones not the sweet Cantonese ones), cha sui pork, curry, salt and pepper squid/pork, anything in black bean sauce, if they have crispy duck you could just eat if from a plate with the duck, cucumber and onions - skipping the pancake and the sauce. Maybe put a bit of some other savoury sauce on it (soy maybe chilli oil - but not sweet chilli sauce). Enjoy! I'm jealous - although I'm going to my favourite Turkish restaurant tomorrow. Looking forward to a shish kebab and salad, but will miss the bread and the rice :(
 

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I too am wondering about Chinese food - probably my favourite thing. I agree with the others that there should be enough low carb options to have a good meal. Chicken and mushroom soup, satay chicken, seaweed, spare ribs (the dry ones not the sweet Cantonese ones), cha sui pork, curry, salt and pepper squid/pork, anything in black bean sauce, if they have crispy duck you could just eat if from a plate with the duck, cucumber and onions - skipping the pancake and the sauce. Maybe put a bit of some other savoury sauce on it (soy maybe chilli oil - but not sweet chilli sauce). Enjoy! I'm jealous - although I'm going to my favourite Turkish restaurant tomorrow. Looking forward to a shish kebab and salad, but will miss the bread and the rice :(
Thanks for advice there is plenty of choice there, always prefer my ribs dry anyway! Just had a pack of mixed seafood and 2 pork chops 4 my t what a concoction!
 

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You'll just need to try them for yourself Amanda and test to see what happens. For many there is no such thing as 'good carbs', others are fortunate to be able to tolerate certain types, but it doesn't necessarily correlate with 'wholemeal' or other categorisation.
Just been talking to my friend who was borderline earlier this year she had 2 do special diet cutting out all the things we know about but couldn't drink flavoured waters or diet drinks? I thought sweeteners etc were fine to have?
 

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That's very usefull info, I'm a bit confused at what good carbs are? And best fruits to eat? Iv bought son unsalted pistachio nuts, and some milled linseed with goji berries,sunflower & pumpkin seeds to go on my porridge are these ok to have?
Hi Amanda. All the things you have bought look good, however some people find that porridge causes a rise in BS levels so you might want to test this. If you haven't got one already I would recommend getting a meter so you can test your levels and find out what affects you. You could try adding your seeds and nuts to full fat natural yoghurt (I use Alpro coconut yoghurt which is low carb) or make your own grain free granola. With regards to fruit, I stick to berries although my neighbour keeps giving me cherries which I love! The general advice is to avoid bananas and grapes, and root vegetables. I eat a LOT of cauliflower in many different forms and green leafy veg.