diagnosed 9th june

licklemoose

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315
Type of diabetes
Type 2
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Tablets (oral)
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the heat
Hi all im Mandy 45 years old
i was diagnosed type 2 on the 9th june and was put on glucient sr metformin
i also have an underactive thyroid thats not controlled very well with a TSH of 22
i feel so ill and zero energy and im not sure if its the diabetes or the thyroid
im overweight big time and i admit that
been doing slimming world over a year lost some weight then gained it back (i blame lack of energy so i tend to grab whatever food is available)
i now know things need to change
ive been given a diabetes book from slimming world that i must sit and read
i was taking my metformin in the morning 2 hours after thyroid meds but felt it was interfering with it so now take at tea time is that ok? dr said i could take it when i wanted
i dont know what to look out for with the diabetes as suffer a lot of things
palpitations, shortness of breath, fatigue, aces and pains, water retention, mood swings, depression, anxiety
medication i take
levothyroxine
mirtazapine (weaning off as it makes me so hungry)
propranolol
magnesium taurate
diazapan
horseail tincture to help with water retention but its not helping with this heat
 

daisy1

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
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Tablets (oral)
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Cruelty towards animals.
@licklemoose

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
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AM1874

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Type 2
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Diet only
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Hi @licklemoose .. and welcome
Can't comment on your other conditions or your meds but so far as your diabetes is concerned, you have made a good move coming here. I was diagnosed T2 in early Feb and, since joining this forum, the folks here have given me so much info, advice and support that I am now much more confident about the journey ahead. So ask your questions and be assured that you will receive the answers that you need .. It's still early for me but, in my experience, it gets easier .. very quickly ..

Managing and controlling your diabetes through exercise, diet and testing your Blood Glucose seems to be the best way forward for many people. For me, committing to an LCHF (Low Carb High Fat) lifestyle and testing 3-5 times a day seems to be working and you'll find that there is a wealth of info, relevant advice and positive support about LCHF on the forum ..

I suggest that you read up on the Low Carb Program in the information that @ daisy 1 has sent you. You might also find the discussion on the Low Carb Diet forum helpful .. and the following Diet Doctor websites ...
Low Carb Intro and Information
Low Carbs in 60 Seconds

I strongly recommend that you get yourself a meter for testing .. I suggest that you try the website at:
https://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/
for the SD Codefree meter, which costs £12.98 (you don't pay VAT) or:
http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/
who distribute the TEE 2 meter, which is free.
I have both for comparative purposes and I have never found any significant difference between them. Unless you are prescribed test strips by your doctor (unlikely), the costs of testing comes down to the ongoing charges for test strips and lancets. I'm testing 3-4 times a day which works out at around £10 to £12 per month for either of the two packages above but, more importantly, I now know what my BG levels are .. and I can now manage them
Hope this helps
 

licklemoose

Well-Known Member
Messages
315
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Dislikes
the heat
@licklemoose

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
wow so much to take in, im still getting my head around foods
are there any fruits that are not allowed? or is it to do with the person only, im yet to get a glucose monitor, i did order a freebie TEE2 a few days after i was diagnosed but not recieved that yet
also in slimming world pasta can be eaten in huge amounts (not that i eat it lots but do have it now and then) it suggests in the book i got to swap for wholemeal pasta and rice
cereal is normally weetabix or porridge with low fat yogurt and fruit
jacket potatoes is another i have regular, low fat cheese and baked beans
im not sure if this is the heat, thyroid or diabetes but the last few days have been terrible fir drinking, feels like im dehydrated but drinking lots (water)
 

licklemoose

Well-Known Member
Messages
315
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Dislikes
the heat
Hi @licklemoose .. and welcome
Can't comment on your other conditions or your meds but so far as your diabetes is concerned, you have made a good move coming here. I was diagnosed T2 in early Feb and, since joining this forum, the folks here have given me so much info, advice and support that I am now much more confident about the journey ahead. So ask your questions and be assured that you will receive the answers that you need .. It's still early for me but, in my experience, it gets easier .. very quickly ..

Managing and controlling your diabetes through exercise, diet and testing your Blood Glucose seems to be the best way forward for many people. For me, committing to an LCHF (Low Carb High Fat) lifestyle and testing 3-5 times a day seems to be working and you'll find that there is a wealth of info, relevant advice and positive support about LCHF on the forum ..

I suggest that you read up on the Low Carb Program in the information that @ daisy 1 has sent you. You might also find the discussion on the Low Carb Diet forum helpful .. and the following Diet Doctor websites ...
Low Carb Intro and Information
Low Carbs in 60 Seconds

I strongly recommend that you get yourself a meter for testing .. I suggest that you try the website at:
https://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/
for the SD Codefree meter, which costs £12.98 (you don't pay VAT) or:
http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/
who distribute the TEE 2 meter, which is free.
I have both for comparative purposes and I have never found any significant difference between them. Unless you are prescribed test strips by your doctor (unlikely), the costs of testing comes down to the ongoing charges for test strips and lancets. I'm testing 3-4 times a day which works out at around £10 to £12 per month for either of the two packages above but, more importantly, I now know what my BG levels are .. and I can now manage them
Hope this helps
i will deffinatly have a read, i just seriously need to get my head around this
i actually ordered the free TEE2 monitor but not recieved yet hopefully it comes soon as i know my drs wont prescribe one (they wont give anything they dont have too)
 

Resurgam

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Type of diabetes
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Diet only
There is no wonder that you don't feel well - I suspect that your meter will show you just how bad those foods are for your blood glucose levels, and if you use your readings to change what you eat for low carb meals which do not spike your glucose readings you should find that you can lose weight far more easily and feel a whole lot better too.
The foods which make me spike and stop me losing weight are exactly those you list.
I have a failed thyroid too, but it doesn't seem to be a problem now - it settled down many years ago.
My shopping list has ne cereals, no potatoes, no legumes other than a small amount of peas and green beans, nothing 'low fat' as it is usually loaded up with sugar. Having a wholemeal or brown version doesn't help in the least.
If you do decide to eat low carb do not go on taking a diuretic, as the diet causes water loss and in this hot weather it could well be dangerous.
You might find that Dr Atkins New Diet Revolution book is useful, there are copies on line but there are millions of real books about - he was right all along, it seems.
 
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leslie10152

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Insulin
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Hi all im Mandy 45 years old
i was diagnosed type 2 on the 9th june and was put on glucient sr metformin
i also have an underactive thyroid thats not controlled very well with a TSH of 22
i feel so ill and zero energy and im not sure if its the diabetes or the thyroid
im overweight big time and i admit that
been doing slimming world over a year lost some weight then gained it back (i blame lack of energy so i tend to grab whatever food is available)
i now know things need to change
ive been given a diabetes book from slimming world that i must sit and read
i was taking my metformin in the morning 2 hours after thyroid meds but felt it was interfering with it so now take at tea time is that ok? dr said i could take it when i wanted
i dont know what to look out for with the diabetes as suffer a lot of things
palpitations, shortness of breath, fatigue, aces and pains, water retention, mood swings, depression, anxiety
medication i take
levothyroxine
mirtazapine (weaning off as it makes me so hungry)
propranolol
magnesium taurate
diazapan
horseail tincture to help with water retention but its not helping with this heat
Don't lose hope. We are here to help.
 

licklemoose

Well-Known Member
Messages
315
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Dislikes
the heat
There is no wonder that you don't feel well - I suspect that your meter will show you just how bad those foods are for your blood glucose levels, and if you use your readings to change what you eat for low carb meals which do not spike your glucose readings you should find that you can lose weight far more easily and feel a whole lot better too.
The foods which make me spike and stop me losing weight are exactly those you list.
I have a failed thyroid too, but it doesn't seem to be a problem now - it settled down many years ago.
My shopping list has ne cereals, no potatoes, no legumes other than a small amount of peas and green beans, nothing 'low fat' as it is usually loaded up with sugar. Having a wholemeal or brown version doesn't help in the least.
If you do decide to eat low carb do not go on taking a diuretic, as the diet causes water loss and in this hot weather it could well be dangerous.
You might find that Dr Atkins New Diet Revolution book is useful, there are copies on line but there are millions of real books about - he was right all along, it seems.
i dont have a meter yet :( i ordered the free TEE2 but not arrived yet so maybe i wont be getting one
i guess i have a lot to learn on what to eat and what not to eat
are chia seeds any good?
what yogurts if any? thats my sweet treat, im happy with plain and natural
so in the long run low carb will shift weight just as well as slimming world?
i have a lot to lose....11 kids worth plus 4 years of gaining with thyroid :(
 

Resurgam

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i dont have a meter yet :( i ordered the free TEE2 but not arrived yet so maybe i wont be getting one
i guess i have a lot to learn on what to eat and what not to eat
are chia seeds any good?
what yogurts if any? thats my sweet treat, im happy with plain and natural
so in the long run low carb will shift weight just as well as slimming world?
i have a lot to lose....11 kids worth plus 4 years of gaining with thyroid :(
There's a lot of bad advice around - I was put on high carb diets for my own good, apparently - and fellt really ill, gained weight at a great rate - I even was at risk of losing my daughter as I developed pre eclampsia on a 'proper diet' for a pregnant woman.
You'll have to see how seeds affect you, and what amount you can eat. I eat nuts, if they are low carb like walnuts or almonds but restrict seeds.
Full fat yoghurt - I get the Greek style from Lidl and add desicated coconut.
Having been drummed out of a slimming club, decades ago, for gaining weight on their regime, I have only ever done Atkins as that is the only way of eating which ever caused weightloss for me. Any slimming club which advises eating shedloads of carbohydrates is setting up its members for failure, or a long slow struggle - which will mean them attending every week for help and advice - which is really good news for the organisers I supose.
 
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AM1874

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
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Not much
i will deffinatly have a read, i just seriously need to get my head around this
i actually ordered the free TEE2 monitor but not recieved yet hopefully it comes soon as i know my drs wont prescribe one (they wont give anything they dont have too)
Hi @licklemoose
Two things ...
First, I suggest you ring up about your TEE2 meter .. I have found them very helpful and they normally deliver next day
Second, I suggest you forget the slimming world advice and read Low Carb Intro and Information .. you'll find the three key concepts .. #Only eat real food #Onlt eat when you're hungry # Stop eating when you're full. Best advice I ever had ...
Hope this helps
 
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licklemoose

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Messages
315
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Dislikes
the heat
Hi @licklemoose
Two things ...
First, I suggest you ring up about your TEE2 meter .. I have found them very helpful and they normally deliver next day
Second, I suggest you forget the slimming world advice and read Low Carb Intro and Information .. you'll find the three key concepts .. #Only eat real food #Onlt eat when you're hungry # Stop eating when you're full. Best advice I ever had ...
Hope this helps
im paid up on slimming world so ill keep going just to weigh, ill have a read of the link you gave
if i ate when hungry i would constantly eat as im on mirtazapine and a side effect is increased appetite and oh boy it increases it, im weaning off them now as i feel they have contributed to the weight gain
i did email about the TEE2 earlier today, they mailed me a few days back with some questions that i replied too im just hoping where my diagnoses is new that i will be allowed one still
 

Phoenix55

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Type of diabetes
Prediabetes
Hi @licklemoose While the weather is so warm make a start on a variety of different salads. Oily fish, meat and cheese with basic salad ingredients followed by a handful of berries, natural yoghurt, sugar free jelly even some cream. I measure my desserts with a ramekin so I don't over indulge. If possible keep away from pasta, potato and bread as well as obviously sugar laden foods. You may find yourself craving yeast products, I sometimes have a spoonful in a mug of hot water.
When your meter arrives start to keep a food diary, you will soon notice patterns of foods that spike your blood sugars, we are all different. It is a steep learning curve initially but you soon develop new habits if you persevere. Good luck.
 

Mark_1

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My TEE2 arrived next day I'd chase that up as something has gone wrong. Your diet consists of everything I can't eat.☹️
 

licklemoose

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Messages
315
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Dislikes
the heat
My TEE2 arrived next day I'd chase that up as something has gone wrong. Your diet consists of everything I can't eat.☹️
it arrived today and ive allready had a play :)