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parrdale

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Hi all my name is Clive I'm 6ft 5 weigh around 22 stone not fit and newly DN on Friday after having blood tests for lots of different things i.e. cholesterol, glucose, thyroid, prostate and low testosterone as I have been feeling depressed for possibly a coupe of years and not been feeling that well for a few months terrible itching out of breath always so bloody hot and the district nurses had been a bit worried about me. My mum was DN 30 or so years ago it was very different then, she passed away at Christmas 2 years ago.
I am a carer for my wife who has had MS for the past 10 years and in the last 5 years my priority has been my wife so not really been looking after myself food intake is not a lot she has some porridge, high protein drinks then a small lunch and then we share a ready meal for one, my intake is generally toast, small lunch then our dinner, a lot of the time i am grazing like crisps, biscuits and more toast.
Went to see the diabetic specialist at the doctors and they are going the way of diet, so when I told her our intake she said I don't eat enough need to start eating the right stuff and looking after myself. (easy to say).
No strips or machines as they don't hand them out now have a regular check every three months bloods and urine (is this normal). got to have the eye test but have worn glasses since I was 9 or 10 so hoping that is OK.
 

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@parrdale

Hello parrdale and welcome to the forum :)

To help you, here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to answer.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 130,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

jack412

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hi, diabetes and depression seem to go hand in hand, and it's also normal to go nuts for a while, you've had a hell of a shock

a lot buy their own meter, and strips.. you need that to see if your meals are keeping your blood glucose level down
http://www.homehealth-uk.com/medical/blood_glucose_monitor_testing.htm

as you know you need to change your diet and probably your wife's diet too
wife
https://www.google.com.au/#q=ms lchf
you and wife
it’s a long page and a few good video’s
http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf
For me, the more carbs we eat the more carbs we want. they don’t give up easy
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/lowcarb101/a/firstweek.htm

overview,
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/a-new-low-carb-guide-for-beginners.68695/
 

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Hi and welcome.

I'm sorry to hear about your wife and your own problems. Life must be very difficult for you, and the last thing you needed was diabetes. However, you have it, so now is the time to turn things around. Look at it as a kick up the bum to start eating properly, to lose weight, and get fit. If you look after yourself you will be able to care for your wife better.

Diet is the key to controlling type 2, so you need to have a good read round, do some research, and formulate a suitable eating plan for yourself. If you have 3 proper meals a day you will feel less like grazing on crisps and biscuits. My suggestion is that you buy yourself a meter and plenty of extra test strips. Have a look at this one, which is the one many of us type 2's use as the strips are about the cheapest going. http://www.homehealth-uk.com/medical/blood_glucose_monitor_testing.htm

Carbohydrates are the culprits in raising blood sugars, so you need to cut down on these. They convert to glucose once inside the system, and glucose is what we don't want too much of. Do have a read of this post http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/a-new-low-carb-guide-for-beginners.68695/

Try not to worry. You can control this, and this forum is the very best place for help. Good luck, and ask questions.
 

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Hi all my name is Clive I'm 6ft 5 weigh around 22 stone not fit and newly DN on Friday after having blood tests for lots of different things i.e. cholesterol, glucose, thyroid, prostate and low testosterone as I have been feeling depressed for possibly a coupe of years and not been feeling that well for a few months terrible itching out of breath always so bloody hot and the district nurses had been a bit worried about me. My mum was DN 30 or so years ago it was very different then, she passed away at Christmas 2 years ago.
I am a carer for my wife who has had MS for the past 10 years and in the last 5 years my priority has been my wife so not really been looking after myself food intake is not a lot she has some porridge, high protein drinks then a small lunch and then we share a ready meal for one, my intake is generally toast, small lunch then our dinner, a lot of the time i am grazing like crisps, biscuits and more toast.
Went to see the diabetic specialist at the doctors and they are going the way of diet, so when I told her our intake she said I don't eat enough need to start eating the right stuff and looking after myself. (easy to say).
No strips or machines as they don't hand them out now have a regular check every three months bloods and urine (is this normal). got to have the eye test but have worn glasses since I was 9 or 10 so hoping that is OK.

Welcome to forum, Clive.

You have found the right place for support.

We all know how devastating a diagnosis is, but it is also the time to take stock, and make changes.

I recommend taking your time, reading info on forum, asking questions and coming up with your plan of action.

Thank you for being open and honest about your circumstances. I can identify with some, having not cared for myself for many years as a carer for someone else. I was a similar weight to you when diagnosed T2, have lost around 5 stones since then, and have managed to gain control over my blood glucose levels through diet and exercise.

Best wishes.
Pipp
 

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By the way, @parrdale, I am only 5ft 3ins tall, so I really had a lot of weight to lose.
 
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jack412

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@alliebee as you have MS, have you noticed any difference with your MS since you've been on LCHF?
perhaps you can give your opinion and experience with it
 
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parrdale

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thanks guy's it has been a difficult few years my wife's condition has been confined to bed and chair for the past 3 years and diet has to be soft foods as her swallowing is very limited with no speech that's why its been ready meals.
BTW Pipp that's really good you have lost so much weight. have never been a small chap even at school and that some 45 years ago just played a lot of golf since i was 8 and played cricket for 20 years and did some aikido for about 3 years then my wife's MS really took hold. big change.
 

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@alliebee as you have MS, have you noticed any difference with your MS since you've been on LCHF?
perhaps you can give your opinion and experience with it
Hi Jack. Yes without a doubt the Lchf diet has improved my MS profoundly ..its reduced stiffness in my muscles and I just have a feeling of well being in myself.
I will always have bad and better days with ms
But manageble. My neurologist is very impressed with my improvement too.
I'm looking forward to my next Hba1c test in Feb.
I'm eating better than I ever did also more veggies and cooking from scratch. I started v low carb 25g a day thanks to the informative links you kindly sent me and I lost the 2 stone I needed to very quickly...I was getting bs of 13 to 16 and within days had dropped considerably.
I was slowly able to introduce more carbs up to me now having approx 50 g a day..good fats are now my friend.
I have never felt so well and id like to thankyou all for helping me supporting me and making me laugh too
Long live lchf
 
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Id also encourage you to look around the low carb forum I learnt an amazing amount
Im sorry to hear your wife also has ms...if you both decide to eat lchf your wife may well find that she feels a lot better. I haven't had a relapse since I started eating this way. So you could follow it together and saves cooking different foods.
I wish you both well.
 

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Hi Jack. Yes without a doubt the Lchf diet has improved my MS profoundly ..its reduced stiffness in my muscles and I just have a feeling of well being in myself.
I will always have bad and better days with ms
But manageble. My neurologist is very impressed with my improvement too.
I'm looking forward to my next Hba1c test in Feb.
I'm eating better than I ever did also more veggies and cooking from scratch. I started v low carb 25g a day thanks to the informative links you kindly sent me and I lost the 2 stone I needed to very quickly...I was getting bs of 13 to 16 and within days had dropped considerably.
I was slowly able to introduce more carbs up to me now having approx 50 g a day..good fats are now my friend.
I have never felt so well and id like to thankyou all for helping me supporting me and making me laugh too
Long live lchf
I know it helped with your weight and BG, but either I had forgotten or didn't know if it helped your MS, I'm so glad it did
sugar/fructose, grains and grain oils seems to be inflammatory for some people
 
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jack412

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thanks guy's it has been a difficult few years my wife's condition has been confined to bed and chair for the past 3 years and diet has to be soft foods as her swallowing is very limited with no speech that's why its been ready meals.
BTW Pipp that's really good you have lost so much weight. have never been a small chap even at school and that some 45 years ago just played a lot of golf since i was 8 and played cricket for 20 years and did some aikido for about 3 years then my wife's MS really took hold. big change.
a pot of meat and veggi stew would be simplest LCHF meal to cook..., no potatoes, varied with lentils beans peas...start with little steps that doesn't stress you out
and a cup of stew is a brilliant snack, cut small or vitamised for your wife
 
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Pipp

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thanks guy's it has been a difficult few years my wife's condition has been confined to bed and chair for the past 3 years and diet has to be soft foods as her swallowing is very limited with no speech that's why its been ready meals.
BTW Pipp that's really good you have lost so much weight. have never been a small chap even at school and that some 45 years ago just played a lot of golf since i was 8 and played cricket for 20 years and did some aikido for about 3 years then my wife's MS really took hold. big change.

That must be so awful for you both. I found it hard enough caring for parents. It must be so much more difficult when it is your partner.

What I realised, with hindsight, was that to be able to care for someone else, it is important to take time, and value oneself enough, to care for yourself too. I have several disabling medical conditions, and my lovely husband has to do a lot for me, even though I can get out and take some exercise in water. I try to make sure he has time to exercise and have some time for himself too.

It seems that you are dedicated to your wife's care, and have had a sad time, coming up to the anniversary of your mother's death. I am sorry you have now been hit with the diabetes diagnosis, but hope that it can be a catalyst for you to become healthier.
 
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Pipp

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I understand the use of ready meals. I used them too, when I was overwhelmed by caring needs of others. They are loaded with salt and all sorts of unhealthy stuff. I think they contributed to my T2.

Healthy husband also gained weight with ready meals, and raised cholesterol.

We now batch cook healthy meals from fresh foods and freeze them in single portions to use when we haven't time to cook from scratch.
 
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I couldn't agree more. One pot meals cooked in a slow cooker are a great way to lchf.and not time consuming when you have a busy day caring
 

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Hi Clive, welcome :).
 

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To the forum you have come to the right place for advice and support.
 
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thanks guy's it has been a difficult few years my wife's condition has been confined to bed and chair for the past 3 years and diet has to be soft foods as her swallowing is very limited with no speech that's why its been ready meals.
BTW Pipp that's really good you have lost so much weight. have never been a small chap even at school and that some 45 years ago just played a lot of golf since i was 8 and played cricket for 20 years and did some aikido for about 3 years then my wife's MS really took hold. big change.
Support's always at hand here :) Wishing you the best

Mike