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<blockquote data-quote="borofergie" data-source="post: 321837" data-attributes="member: 33342"><p>If it's not right for you that's fine. There is more than one way to skin your diabetes, and I think that GL is an excellent alternative choice. However, for the avoidance of doubt: <strong><em>ketosis does not put a strain on the liver and kidneys</em></strong>.</p><p></p><p>This is an urban myth based on the misconception that ketogenic diets are high-protein. You cannot eat high-protein and be in ketosis. To be in ketosis you need to restrict both carbs and protein. The share-your-diet thread shows that the hard core keto-dieters (me and Libby) eat less protein than almost everyone else on the forum (especially the higher-carb/GI/GL people):</p><p><a href="http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30311&start=75&hilit=pie+chart" target="_blank">viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30311&start=75&hilit=pie+chart</a></p><p></p><p>But this is besides the point, high-protein diets are not associated with kidney health</p><p><a href="http://www.jissn.com/content/1/1/45" target="_blank">http://www.jissn.com/content/1/1/45</a></p><p><a href="http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/25" target="_blank">http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/25</a></p><p></p><p>In fact they are associated with lower blood pressure:</p><p><a href="http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=201882" target="_blank">http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.asp ... eid=201882</a></p><p><a href="http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/38/4/821.short" target="_blank">http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/38/4/821.short</a></p><p><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20711407" target="_blank">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20711407</a></p><p></p><p>and improved BG control:</p><p><a href="http://www.ajcn.org/content/78/4/734.short" target="_blank">http://www.ajcn.org/content/78/4/734.short</a></p><p><a href="http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/25/3/425.short" target="_blank">http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/25/3/425.short</a></p><p><a href="http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/53/9/2375.short" target="_blank">http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/co ... 2375.short</a></p><p></p><p>Blood-pressure and BG control are key risk factors for kidney disease.</p><p></p><p>Since my liver is not overflowing with glycogen, and I don't have any fatty deposits, it's difficult to see how ketosis could be harmful to my liver (unlike a high-carb diet).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, ketosis is you body's protection mechanism against hypoglycemia, if you are in ketosis, you will not be hypoglycemic.</p><p></p><p>Rather than "near-hypoglycemic" state I think what you mean is "normal blood sugars". I agree that is uncomfortable to start with, but I think that the payoff is worth it in the end.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="borofergie, post: 321837, member: 33342"] If it's not right for you that's fine. There is more than one way to skin your diabetes, and I think that GL is an excellent alternative choice. However, for the avoidance of doubt: [b][i]ketosis does not put a strain on the liver and kidneys[/i][/b]. This is an urban myth based on the misconception that ketogenic diets are high-protein. You cannot eat high-protein and be in ketosis. To be in ketosis you need to restrict both carbs and protein. The share-your-diet thread shows that the hard core keto-dieters (me and Libby) eat less protein than almost everyone else on the forum (especially the higher-carb/GI/GL people): [url=http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30311&start=75&hilit=pie+chart]viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30311&start=75&hilit=pie+chart[/url] But this is besides the point, high-protein diets are not associated with kidney health [url=http://www.jissn.com/content/1/1/45]http://www.jissn.com/content/1/1/45[/url] [url=http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/25]http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/25[/url] In fact they are associated with lower blood pressure: [url=http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=201882]http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.asp ... eid=201882[/url] [url=http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/38/4/821.short]http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/38/4/821.short[/url] [url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20711407]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20711407[/url] and improved BG control: [url=http://www.ajcn.org/content/78/4/734.short]http://www.ajcn.org/content/78/4/734.short[/url] [url=http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/25/3/425.short]http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/25/3/425.short[/url] [url=http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/53/9/2375.short]http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/co ... 2375.short[/url] Blood-pressure and BG control are key risk factors for kidney disease. Since my liver is not overflowing with glycogen, and I don't have any fatty deposits, it's difficult to see how ketosis could be harmful to my liver (unlike a high-carb diet). Again, ketosis is you body's protection mechanism against hypoglycemia, if you are in ketosis, you will not be hypoglycemic. Rather than "near-hypoglycemic" state I think what you mean is "normal blood sugars". I agree that is uncomfortable to start with, but I think that the payoff is worth it in the end. [/QUOTE]
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