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<blockquote data-quote="phoenix" data-source="post: 643909" data-attributes="member: 12578"><p><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3168743/?report=reader#!po=32.6087" target="_blank">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3168743/?report=reader#!po=32.6087</a></p><p>Re reading the paper with percentages in mind is quite educative . I still think that it is well worth trying but I suspect that a lot will depend upon just exactly what type of T2 the person has and whether an individual can actually cope both mentally and physically with this extreme diet</p><p> </p><p>(note people had to have an HbA1c below 9%, had to be weight stable (BMI between 25 and 45), have had diagnosed diabetes for less than 4 years. They were excluded if on thiazolidinediones, insulin, steroids or beta-blockers, or if they had a serum creatinine >150 mmol/l, with a serum alanine . transaminase level >2.5-fold above the upper limit of the reference range)</p><p> </p><p>They got a huge amount of support during the trial.</p><p> </p><p>Here's some figures I gleaned.</p><p>15 started the trial</p><p>4 dropped out; one for medical reasons, and three for non compliance</p><p>11 completed the trial. Results were averaged but there is no doubt that the reduction in glucose levels and every other parameter for the group were outstanding .</p><p>Three weeks later</p><p>3 of the eleven had returned to diabetic levels following an OGTT</p><p>1 was not tested because of non related medical problems</p><p>Which to me leaves 7 that we know 'passed the OGTT We don't know anything after this period because it was very much pilot study/test of concept It deliberately used a small number of subjects so that they afford to put them through lots of very expensive tests.</p><p>7/11= 63.6%</p><p>but if we include the non completers</p><p>7/15= 46.6%</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="phoenix, post: 643909, member: 12578"] [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3168743/?report=reader#!po=32.6087[/url] Re reading the paper with percentages in mind is quite educative . I still think that it is well worth trying but I suspect that a lot will depend upon just exactly what type of T2 the person has and whether an individual can actually cope both mentally and physically with this extreme diet (note people had to have an HbA1c below 9%, had to be weight stable (BMI between 25 and 45), have had diagnosed diabetes for less than 4 years. They were excluded if on thiazolidinediones, insulin, steroids or beta-blockers, or if they had a serum creatinine >150 mmol/l, with a serum alanine . transaminase level >2.5-fold above the upper limit of the reference range) They got a huge amount of support during the trial. Here's some figures I gleaned. 15 started the trial 4 dropped out; one for medical reasons, and three for non compliance 11 completed the trial. Results were averaged but there is no doubt that the reduction in glucose levels and every other parameter for the group were outstanding . Three weeks later 3 of the eleven had returned to diabetic levels following an OGTT 1 was not tested because of non related medical problems Which to me leaves 7 that we know 'passed the OGTT We don't know anything after this period because it was very much pilot study/test of concept It deliberately used a small number of subjects so that they afford to put them through lots of very expensive tests. 7/11= 63.6% but if we include the non completers 7/15= 46.6% [/QUOTE]
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