Low carb didn't work for me.

[satindoll]

Hi Douglas good to see you back on here sounds like your life is really exciting now. You are proof that people should try different diets before they commit to one and not just opt for the LCHF straight away we need to experiment . You were one of a few here who did low fat and was not afraid to say so..I do low fat myself but it is not really talked about on here it is just dismissed as being bad
Continue to enjoy your life to the full Douglas

Because of the above I to am a low fat eater, so miss those fry ups, not afraid to admit it, I'm sure you have noticed from various posts I have done I have said that the LCHF diet shouldn't be roted in the second line after Hi and welcome, started a bit of a hoo har. but then I do love an animated conversation if I can find one to join in with.

 

[douglas99]

I'm back on the ryvita, with ham, for brealfast this morning. Really making the effort again, so no cheese this time, and it'll be a salad for lunch.
Although, I do actually like salads now, whereas before they where just something that came with chips in the pub!

 

[satindoll]

I'm back on the ryvita, with ham, for brealfast this morning. Really making the effort again, so no cheese this time, and it'll be a salad for lunch.
Although, I do actually like salads now, whereas before they where just something that came with chips in the pub!

My breckie was 25 grm of EasiYo Low Fat Plain yogi and 2 cups of tea, love this yogi as it only puts my dg up1 point per 25grm and I wasn't that hungry so no jab (3.9 to 4.9)
Lunch a cup of soup and the ubiquitous ryvita 2 got to wait a bit for the postp's but if as usual then (4.9 to 6.2) jab of 4 should cover it,
Dinner tonight corn beef bolli, no pasta, with salad, yes I know about the fat but have scraped off the fat as much as poss after cooling and its only a couple of dessertspoonful's mostly veg, mush onion broccoli and cauliflower, corn beef added for the carnivours.

 

[hanadr]

No diet works unless you stick to it. For me LC has been the way, because it's uncomplicated and I want to minimise medication. If it's not to your lifestyle,that's totally your choice, however, what is the difference in difficulty between counting calories and counting carbs?

 

[phoenix]

Whilst you were doing large amounts of exercise you could get away with a bit more 'junk' It worked and you were able to enjoy your time diving.So now you're not diving and you're back to normal and have reverted to eating more nutritious foods. That seems to me sensible.

 

[douglas99]

No diet works unless you stick to it. For me LC has been the way, because it's uncomplicated and I want to minimise medication. If it's not to your lifestyle,that's totally your choice, however, what is the difference in difficulty between counting calories and counting carbs?

Because counting carbs becomes counterproductive.

I tried it, and found I lost my ability to cope with any carb, without a massive peak.

So, it restricted my lifestyle. Sometimes, the only food is instant, be it porridge, pot noodle, or a vending machine.

Life has carbs, because they keep better.

Even fruit is carby.

So, plan my life around a diet that stops me being spontaneous, or just watch the amount I eat, but keep the ability to process carbs?

It's a no-brainer for me.

I eat whatever food is available, to the best of the choice there is. Even if others think it's wrong, because they no longer have the ability to process it. I still do.

I refuse to let diabetes ruin my life, either from the complications, or by the artificial restrictions any diet can impose.

So long as my BS is good, I’m happy.

I can exercise self restraint, and eat a smaller amount, and still enjoy myself. It also becomes second nature.
I look at a meal, think that's x calories, I'm going to burn that over the next 60 minutes, so I can balance my intake and output.

So, it may be more complicated than eating any unlimited amount of LCHF, but it works when I don’t need to worry about there being LC food there.

 

[douglas99]

Whilst you were doing large amounts of exercise you could get away with a bit more 'junk' It worked and you were able to enjoy your time diving.So now you're not diving and you're back to normal and have reverted to eating more nutritious foods. That seems to me sensible.

While you're completely correct in what you say, to me it's still calories as well as nutritious foods.

‘Junk’ was there, and it provided sustenance. Now I have more choice, I will eat better food, and reduce the calories.

But part of the need for the reduction was simply because I decided to let myself go on holiday, and enjoy life, as well as eating ‘badly’ when I needed to.

I took my meter, I tested a lot, and was within my targets, I just went a bit over the top on the amounts.

Unlike the past though, even then, I felt no need to finish the plate, and still stopped when I wanted to, so something has changed for the better

 

[CollieBoy]

Unfortunately the NHS High Carb Low Fat diet didn't work for me so god luck to you, I'll stick with what I do (LCHF)

 

[Andy12345]

same ole same ole, why not make the thread title about how you manage your db and your diving, rather than an attack on LCHF? if it dosent work for you thats fine but to actively discourage it as a method of control is irresponsible at best, the reason low fat isnt spoken about much is because this is a condition that means sugar (or carbs) is bad for us not fat! the world has been on a low fat diet for years and years but has got fatter and more diabetic, ok if your able to cope on a low fat diet thats terrific but most people with db (or not in fact) will do better not eating sugar (or carbs) so the fact that people remark about this being a low carb club are basically saying this is a low sugar club, what a surprise huh, its nice your happy, its just a shame your happiness wasnt complete without the need to attack our life destroying diet choices.




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[Brunneria]

Thank you @Andy12345

I was only thinking what a pity such a positive, interesting thread had such an unnecessarily contentious title.

Made it inevitable it would derail into bickering sooner or later.

 

[Enclave]

Well I have done low calories diets and could never stick to it .. So lost a few pounds and put in several when stopping the low calories .. However .. Low carb high fat has and is still working for me .. Weight wise and bs wise ... We are all different I am pleased to say and do what ever works for you .. Then it's good to share with us, as I think not everyone will want the LCHF diet and you have shown that your way also works.
I don't dive .. But did used to swim .. But not a great fan of getting wet now .....

 

[forge]

Fight fight fight.
Why are posters so precious?

Forum advice no matter if it is good advice or bad advice, is always suss.

In Australia we even had an Indian surgeon working in a Govt hospital and he became a head surgeon and finally a whistle blower dobbed and it turned out he was an unqualified butcher and there was a line up of possible deaths and injuries etc etc etc. If you can't trust your surgeon how much value can anyone place on forum advice.

Forums are good for identifying matters so punters can find the facts to the satisfaction of themselves. Nothing more and nothing less.

Yes, I know about Diabetes Orgs giving "bad advice" etc. but that does not give an automatic tick to forum advice.

No doctor who values his liability insurance would give extreme dietary advice to anyone without conducting a thorough physical and blood test.

There are some facts that can be stated and that is fine but an extreme diet for for an individual?????

Caution s vs precious???

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[AnnieC]

Fight fight fight.
Why are posters so precious?

Forum advice no matter if it is good advice or bad advice, is always suss.

In Australia we even had an Indian surgeon working in a Govt hospital and he became a head surgeon and finally a whistle blower dobbed and it turned out he was an unqualified butcher and there was a line up of possible deaths and injuries etc etc etc. If you can't trust your surgeon how much value can anyone place on forum advice.

Forums are good for identifying matters so punters can find the facts to the satisfaction of themselves. Nothing more and nothing less.

Yes, I know about Diabetes Orgs giving "bad advice" etc. but that does not give an automatic tick to forum advice.

No doctor who values his liability insurance would give extreme dietary advice to anyone without conducting a thorough physical and blood test.

There are some facts that can be stated and that is fine but an extreme diet for for an individual?????

Caution s vs precious???

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Exactly my point each to their own

same ole same ole, why not make the thread title about how you manage your db and your diving, rather than an attack on LCHF? if it dosent work for you thats fine but to actively discourage it as a method of control is irresponsible at best, the reason low fat isnt spoken about much is because this is a condition that means sugar (or carbs) is bad for us not fat! the world has been on a low fat diet for years and years but has got fatter and more diabetic, ok if your able to cope on a low fat diet thats terrific but most people with db (or not in fact) will do better not eating sugar (or carbs) so the fact that people remark about this being a low carb club are basically saying this is a low sugar club, what a surprise huh, its nice your happy, its just a shame your happiness wasnt complete without the need to attack our life destroying diet choices.




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Sorry Andy but I don't think Douglas was attacking the LCHF diet nor was he actively discouraging it he was just saying it did not work for him...reasonable enough I would think... he outlined what he did but he was not promoting it for everyone. Are those who do not do LCHF not allowed to say what works for them without being told they are attacking the LCHF diet and discouraging it Isn't this forum about telling people about the different options they can have not just to to promote one diet as the only suitable diet with others never being mentioned. It could be said from your post that you are actively discouraging low fat because it is not what you do
Diet is not just about the food you eat it is about a persons life style, age and any other medical conditions they may have so that is why a diet must be customised to suit them

 

[AndBreathe]

I think it's a shame the thread is breaking down a bit.

The title wouldn't have been my choice, but the upside of it that I see is that it should probably come up quite well using the search facility. I believe it's important we each consider both sides of the arguement, both during our initial period diet modification, and also periodically along the way. Something similar happened with @Andrew Colvin 's thread talking about moving forward to maintenance, in his circumstances.

Sometimes the forum is extremely LCF biased. I think that's fine for those who like and can tolerate the fat elements. Personally, I find the increased fat element too much, for my dietary and lifestyle preferences. I have tried it again, since coming back to UK, as I'm on my own, and cooking a very small portion of, say, rice is just a pain. The whole hog just doesn't float my boat, but my diet is still reduced carb, as compared to pre-diagnosis. Actually, I also think LCHF is quite easy for a lazy cook (which can be me ). Just grabbing a lump of cheese, or adding dollops of butter to veg, to make up calories is much simpler than cooking "something else" to keep the calories up.

I'm not pitching my tent in Douglas' camp, just posting a different view and trying to encourage tolerance for those who would prefer a different way, or even something hybrid, as I think my own path is.

Play nicely people. There's more to life than the occasional carb-tastic meal.

 

[Andy12345]

well i felt it to be an attack, as you are so anti low carb im not surprised you didnt, your posted you removed due to no responses regarding the low fat diets recently wasnt an attack, it was a positive post and its a shame no one replied, i love hearing success stories regardless of method, but you, douglas and a few others seem to have a hatred for low carbing, its like a quest to rubbish the whole idea, i dont get it, sit here and tell me honestly you dont hate lchf and are irritated by it, for why? its demented, i hate lo fat diets because everyone i know has and is doing one with dire consequenses so yes indeed i think its a terrible thing, lchf isnt for everyone i agree and thats fine, tell me how great low fat is, and ill carry on banging my drum, who knows someone may even be helped along the way by one of us, the evidense is overwhelmingly on the side of lchf as far as i see it


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[douglas99]

Well,

BBQ last night. Rained off, (still raining this morning), so finished off on the George Foreman.
I was in Asda and picked up the pulled beef and brisket burgers they were advertising.
I have to say, I recommend them. A burger, on a roll, a pork sausage, on a finger roll, a couple of chicken wings, salad, and BS was not above 7.8. Fasting level 6 this morning, and weight going in the right direction as well.

Ryvita for breakfast as usual.


My target is 12 and a half stone, I'm not precious within half a stone each way, beyond that I'll address the issue back up or down.
Too low, and I look like a skeleton, too high and my stomach starts to come back.
Back to more painting, radiator fitting, and more laminate flooring today.

And empty the water out of the BBQ.

As to the comments, it's a blog, about my journey, you don't have to read it, it still won't change my journey, and it won't change my posts.
I've decided what I want out of life, I've decided how I'm balancing my diabetes as only a small part of my life, and I've decided what works for me.
Of course you are also more than welcome to read it, and obviously leave your own opinions which provide a reflection of how you're handling your diabetes in your way, as a counter point to my method of integrating it into my lifestyle as a whole..

 

[Andy12345]

i think the thread was supposed to turn into this, daft of me giving douglas what he wanted but heyho, i think debate is good and it gives me an opportunity to beat that drum


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[satindoll]

I sit in neither camp I eat what my body can tolerate, I do low carb to keep my numbers down but and its a big but I cannot tolerate large amounts of fat, I have no gall bladder to process it so large amounts of fat go straight through causing extreme pain and it irritates my IBS which means I sit for yet more hours on the loo, I have a life I don't want to spend it there.

 

[douglas99]

Another reflection, after reading through a few more threads on here, and plodding slowly on in the house.
Because I have spent a lot of time working on the house renovation, I've been staying there while I did it.
(the joys of being self-employed)

Which meant I haven’t managed to get out to the gym.
I reckon this hasn't helped my BS, both in actual numbers, and stability.
So, I'm actually looking forward to September when I can get back in there, and get a bit more muscle tone back again.
Even a short session seems to react well.

 

[AndBreathe]

well i felt it to be an attack, as you are so anti low carb im not surprised you didnt, your posted you removed due to no responses regarding the low fat diets recently wasnt an attack, it was a positive post and its a shame no one replied, i love hearing success stories regardless of method, but you, douglas and a few others seem to have a hatred for low carbing, its like a quest to rubbish the whole idea, i dont get it, sit here and tell me honestly you dont hate lchf and are irritated by it, for why? its demented, i hate lo fat diets because everyone i know has and is doing one with dire consequenses so yes indeed i think its a terrible thing, lchf isnt for everyone i agree and thats fine, tell me how great low fat is, and ill carry on banging my drum, who knows someone may even be helped along the way by one of us, the evidense is overwhelmingly on the side of lchf as far as i see it


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Was that directed to me Andy?