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tonymajor68

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hi folks, I was diagnosed t2 a couple of weeks ago. in may I broke my ankle, then got a blood clot in the ankle too. was told to rest, and ended up putting weight on. had hba1c result at 68 and have been put on metformin. now discover I have a heart problem so on statins. thats without the blood thinning tablets for the clot.
I have not been offered anyou info as to a diabetic nurse, I asked to see a dietician and got an appointment for end of September at Dr's surgery. I'm already cutting down on sugars, and fats, but I'm so confused with all the information on the net. any book suggestions as not been given any advice at all. many thanks.
 
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chalup

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Hi and welcome to the forum. I will tag @daisy1 for you and she will send you an information package for newcomers that may answer a lot of your questions. It is well worth the read and contains a lot of information on the best diet to control diabetes.
 
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debrasue

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Hi, @tonymajor68 - welcome to the forum!
I'm sorry to hear about your catalogue of woes - you really have been through the mill, haven't you? :(
But you're not alone in your disappointment at the lack of support and information about your T2 diagnosis from your GP's surgery - many of us here have had the same problem and will identify with you. But don't worry - you have definitely come to the right place!
I see that @chalup has tagged @daisy1. Once you've had a chance to read her post, we encourage new members to browse the various threads and Forums, read as much as they can, and ask all the questions you need. It's through helping and supporting each other that we can stay on track ourselves, so you'll always find someone ready to lend an ear and offer advice. There's even a Scream thread, if you simply want to let off steam. :)
I hope your ankle's responding to treatment and healing well. I broke mine 3 years ago, and I know it's a challenge...
Good luck, and enjoy the journey - looking forward to hearing more from you!
Hugs
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maggie59

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Just cut out sugar as much as u can & carbohydrates u dnt need to cut down on fat so much as they say that for diabetics fat is actually good for us & it helps to fill us up as we're not eating so many carbs the key is low carbs high fat & make sure u eat lots of veg d some fruit but be careful not to eat too much fruit as it contains sugar but u shd at least be having 3 fruits & 2 veg a day hope this helps take care
 
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davecatt

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Hi I'm new to all this as well and I agree it's v confusing the amount of conflicting advice given, I've started a Low Carb diet and I'm going to be mixing it with the Mediterranean Diet as my cholesterol has risen, due to bad diet prior to being diagnosed
Good luck and there's loads of great advice and help on here..
 
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Daibell

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Hi and welcome. These forums have all the info on diabetes you will ever need so do ask. As others have said, cut down all the carbs but don't worry about fat unless you have loads and loads of saturated fat and the heart consultant has said to avoid them. Fat is not the main cause of weight gain or cholesterol deposits but carbs can be. It's not for me to suggest going against any advice from an expert on heart conditions, but be aware that some people find statins cause muscle atrophy and associated aches. If this happens do discuss it with the GP and any heart consultant you have. You need to ask the GP what your lipids breakdown is i.e. LDL, HDL and Trigs to check your cholesterol levels so you know where you are; the total level is less useful.
 
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@tonymajor68

Hello Tony and welcome to the forum :) As mentioned above, here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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debrasue

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Hi I'm new to all this as well and I agree it's v confusing the amount of conflicting advice given, I've started a Low Carb diet and I'm going to be mixing it with the Mediterranean Diet as my cholesterol has risen, due to bad diet prior to being diagnosed
Good luck and there's loads of great advice and help on here..
The Med. Diet is good, but definitely keep going with the LCHF - my cholesterol dropped from 6.9 to 5.1 in my first 3 months following this programme. I won't have the next test until November, but the diabetic nurse was astonished with the results and said "Just keep on doing whatever it is you're doing!"
:)
 
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Liam1955

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@tonymajor68 - Hello and Welcome to the Forum. Have you got a blood glucose meter? And are you checking blood sugars?
 
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debrasue

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Just cut out sugar as much as u can & carbohydrates u dnt need to cut down on fat so much as they say that for diabetics fat is actually good for us & it helps to fill us up as we're not eating so many carbs the key is low carbs high fat & make sure u eat lots of veg d some fruit but be careful not to eat too much fruit as it contains sugar but u shd at least be having 3 fruits & 2 veg a day hope this helps take care
When you eat LCHF, the fat encourages your body to burn fat because it's not getting the easy fuel from carbohydrates. Fat also slows down the rate at which your body processes the carbs, (hence the HF part), so the sugars are not absorbed so quickly and don't cause spikes in your BG levels, as long as you only eat a very small amount of carbs.
The exact recommended quantity varies; NHS guidelines state between 120-150g per day, which most members feel is too high. Very low carb is considered to be below 30g per day, but some members find this does not suit their metabolism. Personally, I try to stick to around 50-60g per day and this enables me to maintain BGs in the 5s and 6s, as well as lose weight.
Trial, error and testing BGs are the only way you'll find out what's right for you. (And be prepared for the 'carb flu' which some members get when they first go low carb...!)
Good luck, and big hugs!
 
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@tonymajor68 - It's a personal choice, but quite a lot of us Type 2's check our own blood sugars on a daily basis, despite been told not to bother by practise nurse - GP etc.
It is your Diabetes and you want to be in control of it. Having a blood glucose meter allows you check (test) what foods to avoid and what foods are acceptable to eat. I would suggest investing in a Blood Glucose Meter - a lot of forum members use the SD Codefree Blood Glucose Meter because the test strips are the cheapest and always state you are Diabetic (vat exemption) here is a link for you to look at:
http://homehealth-uk.com/all-products/codefree-blood-glucose-Monitoring
Should you decide to purchase a blood glucose meter it needs to be: mmol (UK)
 
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tonymajor68

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@tonymajor68 - It's a personal choice, but quite a lot of us Type 2's check our own blood sugars on a daily basis, despite been told not to bother by practise nurse - GP etc.
It is your Diabetes and you want to be in control of it. Having a blood glucose meter allows you check (test) what foods to avoid and what foods are acceptable to eat. I would suggest investing in a Blood Glucose Meter - a lot of forum members use the SD Codefree Blood Glucose Meter because the test strips are the cheapest and always state you are Diabetic (vat exemption) here is a link for you to look at:
http://homehealth-uk.com/all-products/codefree-blood-glucose-Monitoring
Should you decide to purchase a blood glucose meter it needs to be: mmol (UK)
thanks for the link, also didn't realise it would be vat free. think I'll be ordering 1 next week as seems to make sense to check myself. thanks
 

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@tonymajor68 I was diagnosed Type 2 just under 2 weeks and I SOOOO get the confusion....my surgery have been as helpful as a chocolate teapot and I really am on my own with it all, this forum is just the best though and will help with no matter what! I am trying to follow LCHF but have to admit to today feeling rather despondent with it and panicking I am not doing enough really..so am now sat googling dieticians that are up to speed with it that can help me practically. Anyway...DOh! that was all about me, selfish. I think my point before the tangent, was that no matter what you are going through someone here will "get it". Oh and I've just ordered my meter after being told "we don't recommend it" my repsonse "well you still recommend I eat wholegrain bread" so who is in the right there! lol Good luck xxx
 
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@tonymajor68 - I see you are taking Metformin - This takes time to build up in your system to reach it's full effect, always take it with or just after food - never on an empty stomach as it will cause you stomach upsets. And drink plenty of water and/or sugar free drinks. :)
 
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