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<blockquote data-quote="MikeZ" data-source="post: 858584" data-attributes="member: 169115"><p>Taken at face value the line of that piece that screamed out at me was this:</p><p></p><p><em><strong>"The only side effect which was significantly more common in people taking statins was developing type 2 diabetes, although they estimate that 80% of the people on statins who got type 2 diabetes would have been diagnosed with it anyway."</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p>If taken at face value I believe what she is saying is that of everyone that developed type 2 diabetes while on statins, 20% (of those people) would NOT have developed the disease had it not been for the statins.</p><p></p><p>But then she goes on to say this:</p><p></p><p><em><strong>"But what does that mean to patients? Should they keep taking the tablets? If you’ve had a heart attack or stroke, <u>have type 2 diabetes</u> or have been told by your doctor you’re at very high risk of heart attack or stroke, the answer is categorically yes. All the players in this complicated academic debate agree on that."</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p>So ***? Someone correct me if I am wrong but at the very least I would think that there are a significant amount of folks out there, that are on statins that should not be, simply because the statins either caused or at least complicated their type 2 diagnosis. Almost certainly that would include ALL OF THE 20% of folks who developed type 2 that otherwise would not have. And possibly many of the other 80% that would have developed it anyway... although that is certainly debatable.</p><p></p><p>What is glaringly missing from that article is this number: <u>What percentage of the total number of people that are put onto statins... later develop type 2?</u> Is it 1 in 100? 1 in a million? 1 in 10? That number is important to know. My own GP says that the number of people that develop type 2, (where the taking of statins is directly to blame), is 1 in 500. But does that mean that the use of statins had zero effect on the other 499? That seems unlikely. Now we are back into that grey area. Also worth noting is that my GP is quite possibly biased in whose data he refers to.</p><p></p><p>For me personally, I developed type 2 within 3 months of being put on Lipitor. There is no way for me to go back and unring the bell. I will never know what role, if any, Lipitor played in all of this. I do know that I don't want to be on any meds and am working toward my own comfort zone.</p><p></p><p>In the end I agree with noblehead... it's up to each individual. Do your own research and be comfortable with your direction.</p><p></p><p>I think that it is very significant that you have to believe in what you are doing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MikeZ, post: 858584, member: 169115"] Taken at face value the line of that piece that screamed out at me was this: [I][B]"The only side effect which was significantly more common in people taking statins was developing type 2 diabetes, although they estimate that 80% of the people on statins who got type 2 diabetes would have been diagnosed with it anyway." [/B][/I] If taken at face value I believe what she is saying is that of everyone that developed type 2 diabetes while on statins, 20% (of those people) would NOT have developed the disease had it not been for the statins. But then she goes on to say this: [I][B]"But what does that mean to patients? Should they keep taking the tablets? If you’ve had a heart attack or stroke, [U]have type 2 diabetes[/U] or have been told by your doctor you’re at very high risk of heart attack or stroke, the answer is categorically yes. All the players in this complicated academic debate agree on that." [/B][/I] So ***? Someone correct me if I am wrong but at the very least I would think that there are a significant amount of folks out there, that are on statins that should not be, simply because the statins either caused or at least complicated their type 2 diagnosis. Almost certainly that would include ALL OF THE 20% of folks who developed type 2 that otherwise would not have. And possibly many of the other 80% that would have developed it anyway... although that is certainly debatable. What is glaringly missing from that article is this number: [U]What percentage of the total number of people that are put onto statins... later develop type 2?[/U] Is it 1 in 100? 1 in a million? 1 in 10? That number is important to know. My own GP says that the number of people that develop type 2, (where the taking of statins is directly to blame), is 1 in 500. But does that mean that the use of statins had zero effect on the other 499? That seems unlikely. Now we are back into that grey area. Also worth noting is that my GP is quite possibly biased in whose data he refers to. For me personally, I developed type 2 within 3 months of being put on Lipitor. There is no way for me to go back and unring the bell. I will never know what role, if any, Lipitor played in all of this. I do know that I don't want to be on any meds and am working toward my own comfort zone. In the end I agree with noblehead... it's up to each individual. Do your own research and be comfortable with your direction. I think that it is very significant that you have to believe in what you are doing. [I][B] [/B][/I] [/QUOTE]
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