Sugars up and down

macruss

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Hi Everyone. 1st post so be nice.

I am a 26 and have been type 1 diabetic for 2 years. Overall my control has been quite good but recently it has been a bit all over the place. For example today i woke up at 5.5, went down to 3.0 before lunch, then went up to 15.3 two hours after lunch. I am only talking about sandwiches and a sausage roll, not loads of sugar involved.

I am currently on Humulin I (18 units AM, 26 units PM) since day one and generally speaking my levels have not been too bad. I have been going high recently and upped my insulin to try and compensate, but then I go low.

So my question is, has anyone had the same experience with Humulin I, I am thinking of going onto Humalog as suggested by the Nurse which should hopefully give me a bit more freedom in what I can eat, and inject to suit. Also is going above 15 really that bad?

Thanks

Russell
 

sugarless sue

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Welcome to the Forum,

I am only talking about sandwiches and a sausage roll, not loads of sugar involved.

There are a lot of Carbs in this meal ! Carbs are what turns into glucose in the body and elevates your blood sugar levels. Sugar is just a simple carb.

Here is the information that Ken and I give to new members hope some of it helps explain this.

Here is the advice that Ken and I, as Forum Monitors, usually give to newly diagnosed Diabetics. We hope that these few ideas gained through experience help you to gain control and give you some understanding of Diabetes. This forum doesn't always follow the recommended dietary advice, you have to work out what works for you as we are all different.

It's not just 'sugars' you need to avoid, diabetes is an inability to process glucose properly. Carbohydrate converts, in the body, to glucose. So it makes sense to reduce the amount of carbohydrate that you eat which includes sugars.

For more information on CARBOHYDRATE see here:

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This is NOT a low carb diet suggestion, just a reduction in your intake of carbohydrate. You have to decide yourself how much of a reduction will keep your blood glucose levels in control.

The main carbs to avoid OR reduce are the complex or starchy carbohydrates such as bread, potatoes, pasta, rice, starchy root veg and also any flour based products. The starchy carbs all convert 100% to glucose in the body and raise the blood sugar levels significantly.

If you are on Insulin you may find that reducing the carb intake also means that you can reduce your dose of insulin. This can help you to keep weight gain down as Insulin tends to make you put on weight and eventually cause insulin resistance. This should be done slowly so as not to cause hypos.

The way to find out how different foods affect you is to do regular daily testing and keep a food diary for a couple of weeks. If you test just before eating, then two hours after eating, you will see the effect of certain foods on your blood glucose levels. Some foods, which are slow acting carbohydrates, are absorbed more slowly so you may need to test three or even four hours later to see the effect that these have on your blood glucose levels.

Buy yourself a carb counter book (you can get these on-line) and you will be able to work out how much carbs you are eating, when you test, the reading two hours after should be roughly the same as the before eating reading, if it is then that meal was fine, if it isn’t then you need to check what you have eaten and think about reducing the portion size of carbs.

When you are buying products check the total carbohydrate content, this includes the sugar content. Do not just go by the amount of sugar on the packaging as this is misleading to a diabetic.


As for a tester, try asking the nurse/doctor and explain that you want to be proactive in managing your own diabetes and therefore need to test so that you can see just how foods affect your blood sugar levels. Hopefully this will work ! Sometimes they are not keen to give Type 2’s the strips on prescription, (in the UK) but you can but try!!

For TIPS FOR STRIPS see here:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=19002&start=0

If you are an Insulin user in theory you should have no problem getting test strips.

The latest 2011 NICE guidelines for Bg levels are as follows:
Fasting (waking and before meals).......between 4 - 7 mmol/l...(Type 1 & 2)
2 hrs after meals........................no more than 8.5 mmol/l.....( Type 2)

2hrs after meals......................... no more than 9 mmol/l ......(Type 1)

If you are able to keep the post meal numbers lower, so much the better.

It also helps if you can do at least 30 minutes moderate exercise a day, it can be split into 10 min sessions to start with. It doesn't have to be strenuous.

The above is just general advice and it is recommended that you discuss with your HCP before making any changes. You can also ask questions on the forum on anything that is not clear.

Finally a few QUESTIONS TO ASK AT DIABETES CLINIC.

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SophiaW

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Marcus, if you haven't already done, ask your team to send you for a carb counting course. Matching your carbs consistently against the insulin you're injecting (even on twice daily injections) is very useful in avoiding swings in BG. It could also be that you're ending your honeymoon period which can make things change for you.
 

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Hi Russell,
Sorry you're having probs. It's refreshing to hear of a relatively newly diagnosed type-1 that's not been put on Lantus or Levemir!
Humulin I is a medium/long lasting Isphane insulin otherwise known as a basal insulin. It will not cover high carb foods suchas sandwiches and pastries, and the answer is to take short or rapid-acting insulin to cover the extra carbohydrate.
I take animal insulin; a pork isophane similar to yours;Hypurin Porcine Isophane and also split the dose for better coverage. I take Hypurin Porcine Neutral before meals, and vary the amount depending on how much carbohydrate is in the meal. There are different varieties of short or rapid-acting insulins available, although Humalog & Novorapid are the most commonly used, that does not mean they are superior to any other variety. Sometimes it's trial and error to find out which insulin regime / insulin type suits you and your lifestyle best.
Have you done a daphne course or been taught about carb: insulin ratios?
best of luck
Jus :)
 

macruss

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Hi, thanks for all the replys.

I am going to speak to my doctor on Tuesday to move over to a fast acting insulin as I don't think the current Insulin is for me. I do eat a lot (6ft, 14 stone) and ideally dont want to cut do my carbs so I think that injecting to suit what i eat sounds more appealling to me and will give me more flexibility.

Will I have been doing much damage to my body when going up to these levels?

Thanks

Russell
 

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Who knows what damage if any you may have done running high levels ?

The point is you really shouldn't be going above 9 mmol/l 2 hrs after meals........so if you don't want to adjust the carbs you consume then your only other option is to up the Insulin to keep within the usual target levels. Your choice but not really advisable.

You may have agreed different target levels with your HCP's.......however, I really can't see anybody (HCP's) telling you that levels that you quote and are getting are good for anybody....... :( If they do, you need new HCP's........