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<blockquote data-quote="CherryAA" data-source="post: 1587661" data-attributes="member: 327005"><p>yeah its hard getting nuances in print ! </p><p></p><p>My understanding of above would be as follows: </p><p></p><p>"Your Table 2 shows that white fish (one of your "real" foods") has a FII of 43%. If I am understanding this correctly, and I may not be, it means that white fish triggers 43% of the insulin that the same energy value of white bread would do. " - yes agreed "</p><p></p><p>"The table also shows that white fish contains no carbohydrate and hence no Glycemic Load. I would therefore expect that eating white fish would generate insulin at the same time as no extra blood glucose and would reduce the blood glucose already in circulation. - not agreed </p><p></p><p>That is not what I understand it to mean . I understand that to mean that it simply shows that because the glycemic load focuses on the insulin requirements for eating carbohydrates alone - it is an incomplete measure . Generally speaking as far a I understand it, many people with T1 not only have to count the carbs, but they also pay attention to the protein load too. I have seen numerous papers which suggest a formula of circa 50% of carbs for the protein. I am not T1 so I have no idea how how reasonable in practise that is - but assuming it has some basis on what happens then that would be entirely consistent with the idea that in order to get insulin down and thus improve weight loss one should focus to the most nutrient dense meats and fishes as opposed to the least nutrient dense ones becuase these are the foods with the least insulin generating requirements.</p><p></p><p>eg fatty fish instead of lean, chicken thigh with skin instead of skinless chicken breast. Again exactly the reverse of the high carb low fat approach</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CherryAA, post: 1587661, member: 327005"] yeah its hard getting nuances in print ! My understanding of above would be as follows: "Your Table 2 shows that white fish (one of your "real" foods") has a FII of 43%. If I am understanding this correctly, and I may not be, it means that white fish triggers 43% of the insulin that the same energy value of white bread would do. " - yes agreed " "The table also shows that white fish contains no carbohydrate and hence no Glycemic Load. I would therefore expect that eating white fish would generate insulin at the same time as no extra blood glucose and would reduce the blood glucose already in circulation. - not agreed That is not what I understand it to mean . I understand that to mean that it simply shows that because the glycemic load focuses on the insulin requirements for eating carbohydrates alone - it is an incomplete measure . Generally speaking as far a I understand it, many people with T1 not only have to count the carbs, but they also pay attention to the protein load too. I have seen numerous papers which suggest a formula of circa 50% of carbs for the protein. I am not T1 so I have no idea how how reasonable in practise that is - but assuming it has some basis on what happens then that would be entirely consistent with the idea that in order to get insulin down and thus improve weight loss one should focus to the most nutrient dense meats and fishes as opposed to the least nutrient dense ones becuase these are the foods with the least insulin generating requirements. eg fatty fish instead of lean, chicken thigh with skin instead of skinless chicken breast. Again exactly the reverse of the high carb low fat approach [/QUOTE]
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