Type 2 + Weight

sollythegolly

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Greetings from a newly diagnosed 61 year old Type 2 diabetic.

Having returned from the GP surgery with an armful of leaflets and a blood glucose monitor; appointments for eye screening tests, and a recommendation to attend a one-day course, my life looks like it's about to take a change.

I am probably about 2.5 stone (perhaps a little more) overweight, which is probably a contributing factor (apart from my mother having Type 2 as well).

Can anyone tell me, irrespective of dietary changes (which I will make....irrespective of my love of chocolate and liquorice allsorts), what effect weight loss has in the scheme of things? Is it a crucial element, or just a good thing to do anyway?
 

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Hi and welcome to the forum.

If you are overweight this usually means that you are Insulin resistant. The body keeps making more Insulin to cope and in turn, this piles on more fat.

Carbs = Glucose = Insulin = Fat.
© Ken.2010

Therefore, if you break the chain by reducing Carbohydrate in your diet you should lose weight and in return reduce your Insulin resistance and help control your Diabetes. It also helps to lower your blood sugar levels as Diabetes is basically a condition where the body cannot metabolise carbs efficiently.

Below, is the information that we give to new Diabetics, I hope some of it helps.


Here is the advice we usually give to newly diagnosed Diabetics. We hope that these few ideas gained through experience help you to gain control and give you some understanding of Diabetes. This forum doesn't always follow the recommended dietary advice, you have to work out what works for you as we are all different.

It's not just 'sugars' you need to avoid, Diabetes is an inability to process glucose properly. Carbohydrate converts, in the body, to glucose. So it makes sense to reduce the amount of carbohydrate that you eat which includes sugars.

The main carbs to avoid OR reduce are the complex or starchy Carbohydrates such as bread, potatoes, pasta, rice, starchy root veg and also any flour based products. The starchy carbs all convert 100% to glucose in the body and raise the blood sugar levels significantly.

If you are on Insulin you may find that reducing the carb intake also means that you can reduce your dose of insulin. This can help you to keep weight gain down as Insulin tends to make you put on weight and eventually cause Insulin resistance. This should be done slowly so as not to cause hypos.

The way to find out how different foods affect you is to do regular daily testing and keep a food diary for a couple of weeks. If you test just before eating, then two hours after eating, you will see the effect of certain foods on your blood glucose levels. Some foods, which are slow acting Carbohydrates, are absorbed more slowly so you may need to test three or even four hours later to see the effect that these have on your blood glucose levels.

Buy yourself a carb counter book (you can get these on-line) and you will be able to work out how much carbs you are eating, when you test, the reading two hours after should be roughly the same as the before eating reading, if it is then that meal was fine, if it isn’t then you need to check what you have eaten and think about reducing the portion size of carbs.

When you are buying products check the total Carbohydrate content, this includes the sugar content. Do not just go by the amount of sugar on the packaging as this is misleading to a Diabetic.

As for a tester, try asking the Nurse/Doctor and explain that you want to be proactive in managing your own Diabetes and therefore need to test so that you can see just how foods affect your blood sugar levels. Hopefully this will work! Sometimes they are not keen to give Type 2’s the strips on prescription, (in the UK) but you can but try !!

If you are an Insulin user in theory you should have no problem getting test strips.

The latest 2010 NICE guidelines for Bg levels are as follows:
Fasting (waking).......between 4 - 7 mmol/l........(Type 1 & 2)
2 hrs after meals......no more than 8.5 mmol/l.....( Type 2)

2hrs after meals....... no more than 9 mmol/l ......(Type 1)

If you are able to keep the post meal numbers lower, so much the better.

It also helps if you can do 30 minutes moderate exercise a day. It doesn't have to be strenuous.

The above is just general advice and it is recommended that you discuss with your HCP before making any changes. You can also ask questions on the forum on anything that is not clear.

Sue/Ken.
 

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It's difficult to lose weight if insulin resistant.
if you feel it would suit you, I suggest you try a lower carb/ higher fat diet.
This is a good way of losing and good for blood glucose control too. Add in some regular exercise too, if you aren't already doing it.
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I'm T2 and perhaps 3 and a half stone overweight. My only diabetes management strategies are to eat a low carb diet and exercise like a ****er until the weight comes off. T2 in the young (I'm 33) is (in my opinion) a transient and reversible symptom of obesity. Otherwise why would there be so many young T2's today compared to in days gone by? Lifestyle is the only difference - lifestyle is the cause, therefore if lifestyle is changed the disease can be cured. I am about to test this on myself in a big way because I am gonna crash three stones in about three months :D
 

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Hate to rain on your parade mutango........

If it was as simple as losing weight and lifestyle change I would be 'cured' according to your logic ?

I lost over 5 1/2 stone and changed my lifestyle dramatically. Am I 'cured'........NO. Diabetes is for life, you may well get much better control.......you are still a Diabetic......just a very well controlled one as myself. Healthier, fitter, more aware......it will never go away though. :(

Best of luck in your quest...... :)
 

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mutango said:
I am about to test this on myself in a big way because I am gonna crash three stones in about three months

Good luck with that - let us know how you get on. Losing weight is likely to reduce your resistance to insulin.

mutango said:
Lifestyle is the only difference - lifestyle is the cause, therefore if lifestyle is changed the disease can be cured.

Life style IS NOT the cause. Many people with terribe lifestyles do not get diabetes. You could even argue that lifestyle is a SYMPTOM of T2 diabetes - like Sue said:

Carbs = Glucose = Insulin = Fat
© Ken.2010

Excess insulin will give you a hunger - so if you're already pre-disposed to insulin resistance, you're gonna feel hungry when your insulin levels rise. This is a pre-curser to becoming overweight. I'd argue that a T2 is resistant to insulin PRIOR to putting the weight on.

Chicken n' egg.
 

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Well, put it this way.

When I pull this off - and notwithstanding insulin resistance or any other hindrance, I will - I'll be 12 stone and ripped like a men's health cover model (albeit unfortunately with a head like a goblin). Do u think many men's health cover models have T2? I don't.

As for this "no cure" business, hmm, I hear the sound of the industro-medical complex trying to subjugate me, keep control of me and the revenues I represent. I dont buy it. Many people find that after weight loss they can eat what they want (provided they don't actually put the weight back on) and maintain normal glycaemic levels, and they don't have to medicate or even test. Even more so with people who have bariatric surgery. So let me see. However I behave, I mintain normal glucose levels, and no medical test on the planet could actually detect any abnormality in my metabolism? But I still have to regard myself as having some condition? Riiiiiiiiiight.

My strategy for managing diabetes is to defeat it. To leave it utterly shattered like Napoleon's armies at the end of his reign. Like I say, how many superfit guys in their thirties have T2? I don't know anyone who has pursued a programme of superathletics and continued to see poor control. I am not rubbishing your experiences guys and I make a point of never commenting on anyone else's condition as I am not a doctor. However, put it this way - after 12 months of my programme I fully expect never to have to test again.
 

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As for whether insulin resistance causes obesity or vice versa, I agree this is arguable.

However, I expect exercise, weight loss and healthy lifestyle to defeat both.

BTW Ken thanks for the advice re insurance. The insurance co. viirtually laughed at me for notifying them of a condition they clearly saw as irrelevant. However I follow why you gave the advice and it is clearly better to be safe than sorry so thks. :)
 

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I admire your positive thinking. An admirable trait........ :) Something I have in spades ! :D

However, I am also a realist. FYI I am a Diabetic with no connection to any drug companies, no payment made for what I do here.......just someone who likes to help out fellow Diabetic's.

As I said I like your attitude.......just don't let it cloud your judgement........ :wink:
 

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Forgot to say I was a 'superfit guy' too.........that was in my late 40's. So when I was told I had Diabetes it was like somebody had hit me with a sledgehammer ! :(

I wasn't fat, I ate healthily, was an ideal weight, worked out, ran, cycled all the good things.......yet still I got Diabetes. So it certainly was nothing to do with lifestyle.......

I think I was in denial for a long time before I finally accepted what I had and just vowed to beat it. I have never beaten it.......but I do control it. If I try to eat 'normal' foods as you suggest that control evaporates and Bg levels soar. It doesn't take much to tip the balance.

I'm an Optomist too....... :D
 

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Well, a very interesting set of replies. I can well understand the urge to drop vast quantities of weight in the hope that the condition could be cured, but my understanding is that a 'cure' is not an option, only control.

Being overweight has never really bothered me all that much until my diagnosis, but the diagnosis did give me the necessary kick in the backside to get out there and get something done about it, which is probably no bad thing.

If the result of that is better control of the diabetes, and the reduction certain symptoms (tiredness, frequent nightly trips to the loo, headaches), symptoms that I'd attributed to other things but diabetes (overwork, lack of proper sleep, benign prostate enlargement, poor dietary choices (cheese, chocolate and orange combinations)), then that will be great. Should I also experience a better quality of life (more energy, looking better in my clothes, decent night's of sleep), then that will be a very welcome bonus.

I wish all of you the very best in your endeavours. Many thanks for taking the time to respond to my initial query.
 

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Solly
if you include controlled carb intake in your new way of life, you stand a good chance of losing weight and plentry of exercise helps reduce insulin resistance.[ especially resistance exercise]
Established dabetes is probably incurable, but it is controllable, if you have the will and a bit of luck.
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I really admire the fighting spirit of some posters here.

I to am a fighter, diagnosed T2 8 years ago I lost 6 stone, exercised every day at the gym, walked and ran every day.

It worked, no more T2 diabetes, and so it stayed for 8 years, I am still fit, I have gained a couple of stones and I am very careful of what I eat, low carb etc.

Now, despite a hard fight, hard exercise and weight loss (again) I find my BG is into the "unacceptable" range. HbA1c is up, morning fasting is up and I get some high readings after meals.

So I really do hope that you will be able to cure YOUR T2 by a positive attitude diet and exercise, but do keep in mind that eventually you might just find that like many of us, T2 sneaks up on you. It is, for many of us, a progressive condition that can be delayed, deferred, and at least for some years even beaten, but at least in my case, never cured.

Geoff
 

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Steve Redgrave was diagnosed T2 at the height of his career - hardly a lifestyle disease - there can't be many fitter than a 5 times Olympian gold medal winner!
 

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I'm sure it may sneak up on me again in the future (unless I have the surgery, which I'm looking into). Not until I'm in my fifties though I hope.
 

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there are many interconected factors in diabertes, that medicine hasn't worked out properly yet.

My older brother was the fit sporty one of the famlily, football in the winter, cricket in the summer, played sport with friends as a social activity. He was ideal weight for most of his life and only started to put weight on whe he reached 50 and slowed down a bit. It never occured to him that he might develop T2 and it came as a complete shcok to him when, in his early 50's a routine medical picked up that he was full blown T2.

I hate sports, fall over my own feet, can't hit a ball or throw one, and have been fat for most of my life. Knowing the whole family history of diabetes (uncles, cousins t2,etc) I went looking for it in my late 40's asked the doc to check me out. I knew I was pre-diabetic and consequently I knew the exact time I developed full T2, in my early 50's.

Surprise surprise at exaclty the same age as my brother, yet our lifestyles were very different. Yes most T2's are fat, but there are many who are not or who are even underweight. BUT what is NOT true is that most fat peopel are T2 - there are complicated factors at play that mean we are all indivudaul and need individual treatment.

Yes controlling your weight and diet can help this blasted condition, and good luck with your quest, Keep good control and you will have the best chance of a long healthy and complication free life. But don't ever get complaisent and think that if you loose the excess weight you will be able to eat and drink what you like for the rest of your life. You will still need regular checkups - especially as you get older and your body parts feel the strain.
 

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mutango said:
Redgrave's Type 1 I believe (according to this anyway: http://www.diabetes.co.uk/celebrities/s ... grave.html).

the link you have provided is the only one I have found that says hes T1 - all the others don't say or that he is T2 who used insulin from the begining so that he could still use his training regime - I have heard himself say this on TV that he is T2 that went straight to insulin - we may have to agree to disagree - anyone else kow the status of steve's diabetes?

"Redgrave was 35 when he was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes and he thought it was the end of his career. "I wasn't devastated," he says. "It was more: 'What am I going to do?' There was no Plan B" -
this in his own words from the runsweet site

http://www.runsweet.com/GI.html
 

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Hi LL.
There was a discussion on here last year about the status of Redgrave's Diabetes. The consensus then was that he was a T2.

This seems to be backed up in this link where he is a shown to be an Honorary Vice President of DUK. You would imagine if the details were incorrect he would have had them corrected ? :?

http://www.diabetes.org.uk/Get_involved ... rs/Steve-/

There is this site where he was planning to use a pump........mind you this was for a 3000 mile challenge in America in 2008. He was probably sponsored by the pump manufacturers ?
This from the page in the link.

Sir Steve has insulin resistant diabetes (which means that he has to use insulin to help manage his glucose levels). Sir Steve will be using Medtronic's insulin pump system (Paradigm11®12 Veo™13) to help him get the right amount of insulin and to continuously monitor his glucose levels throughout this endurance cycle.

This seems to back up those who have stated that he is in fact a T2. He seems very coy in most interviews and articles not to mention what type he is........ :?